mistermodel Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) just a test-who knows the story on these lime green cummins and detroits? Edited March 23, 2016 by mistermodel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim B Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Maybe it was a White-Western Star thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Stock Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I have the 70s issue Pete 359 wrecker, should I have painted the Cummins white?, I painted mine beige ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldog1970 Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 (edited) Maybe it was a White-Western Star thing?As far as I know....they never painted any of the engines before they were installed into the frames, used as is from the OEM's, and I asked my lead hand many questions about the history before I started working there in 1993. Now maybe the picture of the rainbow WWS was built for a show(?)...and could have been painted for any number of reason's, but with the number of show trucks that I recall going down the line...never seen it myself in nine years. Edited March 26, 2016 by dieseldog1970 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafsprings Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I have the 70s issue Pete 359 wrecker, should I have painted the Cummins white?, I painted mine beige ...? Here is evidence of white being used from a Peterbilt brochure dated 2-74. Just consider your wrecker a post '75, its very difficult to pin point a date on large window '73-'87 359 Petes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafsprings Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 (edited) I think Ford had engines from Caterpillar & Cummins painted Ford Blue in the 1970s. Not sure about any Detroit Diesels, though. Blue up to '75 at least. Like the Pete 359, hard to pin point year model on the '70+ L series. Edited March 26, 2016 by leafsprings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronw Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 This topic comes up frequently There is a fairly complete listing in this post from 2006 I'll take the liberty of quoting it since it was my post. Official colors as well as suggested paints to use. Allis Chalmers - Plum Crazy Purple Caterpillar 3406 - New Cat Yellow 3208 - New Cat Yellow Cummins NHC250 - Cummins Beige NTA370 - Cummins Beige NTC350 - Cummins Beige N14 - Black (may have red valve covers) V-903 - Dark grey or Black Detroit Diesel Series 60 - DD Alpine Green 6-71 - DD Alpiine Green 8V71 - DD Alpine Green 12V71 - DD Alpine Green or Silver 16V71 - DD Alpine Green 8V92 - Silver Chevrolet 1940s to late 1950s - Medium grey Late 1950s to 1963 I-6 engines Chevrolet engine blue, V-8 Chevrolet engine red (orange) Ford Ford 331 Flathead truck engine - Dark Spruce Green OHV 1954 to 1961 - Red 534SD - Ford Blue GMC GMC 1940s - Avacado GMC late 1940s to early 1950s Dark Green GMC 1950s Crimson Red GMC 1960s V-6 Alpine Green, V-8 Red Turbine - Red International V-800 - Metallic blue Mack - Pre 1990 gold, Post 1990 grey, or blue / grey if equipped with an intercooler ENDT675 ENDT676 ENDT865 4cyl (Mack AC) - medium grey Super tip turbine - red Exceptions, some truck manufacturer's use their own colors instead of the engine builders color AutoCar - White through 1968-69 then manufacturer color Ford - Black until 1965, Ford Blue until 1982, Ford Corporate Grey Diamond Reo - Red Peterbilt - White through 1984 then engine manufacturer color Kenworth - White through 1975 then engine manufacturer color Might as well include the available paints as well Krylon New Cat Yellow Old Cat Yellow (I believe Caterpiller changed to the new yellow in the 1950's) Duplicolor Detroit Diesel Alpine Green Ford Blue Fleetrite (available at International dealers) Cummins Beige DT466 Blue Testors Model Master offers many factory engine colors. Suggestions for close matches with non-factory paints IH V-800 - Testors Model Master Lacquer #28150 metallic 1969 Ford Acapulco blue IH V-800 - Tamiya #TS19 Metallic blue Diamond Reo / Mack - Testors Model Master #52709 Boyd Red DD Alpine Green - Testors Model Master Acryl #4774 RLM 25, Polly Scale #505270 British Interior Grey Green AC Mack Grey - Model Master #1725 Neutral grey, Model Master Acryl #4757 Neutral grey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) As far as I know....they never painted any of the engines before they were installed into the frames, used as is from the OEM's, and I asked my lead hand many questions about the history before I started working there in 1993. Now maybe the picture of the rainbow WWS was built for a show(?)...and could have been painted for any number of reason's, but with the number of show trucks that I recall going down the line...never seen it myself in nine years.The US truck manufacturers did not paint any engines themselves before installation, they were already painted in the color the truck manufacturers wanted them to be when they left the engine factory.For example Kenworth, Peterbilt and Autocar had Cat, Cummins and DD to paint the engines they ordered from them white so they arrived already painted white to the truck assembly plants for a number of years...of course they had to pay extra for it.The same goes for the others that had different engine color than the engine manufacturers standard color.International had all engines except their own V-800 painted IH 2150 Red for several years and paid $25 extra per engine for that.But there are exceptions from the rule with the truck manufacturers special engine colors, even though some of the truck manufacturers was supposed to have a for them special color of the engines up to a certain date you could find engines in their trucks with the engine manufacturers standard color before that date and the special color after the same date.I have also found out that Caterpillar changed the color from the Old Caterpillar Yellow, also known as Hi-Way Yellow, to New Cat Yellow on their heavy machinery in June 1979 and that could also be the case with the engines.So if that's correct the engines would be Cat Hi-Way Yellow from January 1932 until June 1979, after June 1979 New Cat Yellow...except for the cases when the truck manufacturers ordered them with their own colors.The old Cat Hi-Way Yellow were a brighter shade yellow than the New Cat Yellow wich is more to the mustard shade.Caterpillar was also the last manufacturer to stop painting the engines white for Peterbilt. Edited March 27, 2016 by Force Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Ah just the thread I am looking for, problem is I have no clue what kind of engine I have here. Kit came with paint. It this correct? can anyone help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim B Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 What kit is that from? Also, what do you get when you mix the 127 & 133 paints? I'm not familiar with Humbrol colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) The engine you have there looks to be from an Italeri kit and it's a Cummins NTC 400 and should be beige...but Italeri sometimes wants us to belive it's a Cummins N14 as they in some kits changed it from a water to air aftercooler to an air to air intercooler.A Cummins N14 is black often with red valve covers, but the N14 has different heads and more squareish valve covers...and these are NT-NTA-NTC covers.When I looked closer at your picture the paint call outs (marked blue) are for the exhaust and water manifolds and the exhaust part of the turbo, nothing for the engine block assembly, the paint call out for the engine block can possibly be shown at an earlier stage.But all of the engine was painted beige from the Cummins factory and the paint would burn off on hot places like the exhaust manifold and turbo. Edited March 28, 2016 by Force Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Thank you for the fast feed back! Kit is a Heller but if I open up the WStar Italeri kit I also have it looks exactly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Yes the Heller kit is a reboxed Italeri kit.One can wonder where they got the paint references from?? As far as I know a Cummins NTC should be beige, close to sand color, not brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Thx again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim B Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Yes, Beige is the correct color for the NTC-Series engines. Tamiya Buff XF57 is a close match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Just picked me up some XF57, thanks !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearUpJammer Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Thanks Jim,I just used the XF57 also.The color is right on the money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim B Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I've also found that Tamiya X12 Gold Leaf is a good match for the gold used be Mack, Tamiya X13 Metallic Blue is a good match for the blue that International used on their MaxxForce engines, Tamiya XF18 Medium Blue is a good match for the Detriot Diesel Series60 Blue (I have also heard that Humbrol #87 Matt Steel Gray is close), and Testors Model Masters Grun RLM 62 is a good match for the early Detroit Diesel Alpine Green. I have heard, but cannot confirm, that Testors Red 1203 is a dead-on match for the International Red, while Testors Model Master Auto Lacquer 1969 Ford Metallic Acapulco Blue can be used for the International V800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapazleo Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 just a test-who knows the story on these lime green cummins and detroits? As far as the Cummins goes the PT series "power torque" were lime green and I believe some custom rated Cummins were also. The Detroit appears to have a red block "International" an alpine green head and a Terex green valve cover and coolant hose neck and other small parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafsprings Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Ready to be shipped to Peterbilt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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