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#1 alarmstrong

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:56 PM

what is the best way to cast a resin replica engine? is it better to do each piece individually or build the engine and do it all at once?

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:27 PM

For most instances, individually.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:55 PM

I would suggest doing the block as one piece, then do each part on it's own....

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 08:38 AM

This is how I've been casting my engines. Block and all components are cast as individual pieces. Some are tougher to do than others! LOL If you have any questions, feel free to ask...

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:52 PM

This is how I've been casting my engines. Block and all components are cast as individual pieces. Some are tougher to do than others! LOL If you have any questions, feel free to ask...


so this is the first time i have attempted to cast anything and i was knocking around the idea of casting a viper or Ferrari engine and modifying it into a 65 stepside pickup. looking at these engine/trans pieces i think it would make sense to do each half separate and try to cast them as they are off of the trees and then assemble the cast pieces. they look far to intricate to assemble and cast all together.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:37 PM

Casting a complete engine would be a mess. Many, many opportunities for air pockets and bubbles, not to mention tearing up the molds getting the things out. I agree with casting the block as one piece....I've done many engine molds this way. Most of the rest of the pieces can be done as open face molds - the easiest kind to work with. Be sure to cover the mold after you pour your resin so you get a perfectly flat mating surface. Your problem areas, or the parts that will cost you the most time, will be things like belt/pulley assemblies, exhaust (if you include them) and small parts. The block, heads, intake, oil pan, etc, are all pretty simple.

I pulled molds and cast the entire 429 Ford from the Revell Torino a few years ago. I was pretty happy with the results, though some of the problem parts I mentioned above needed a good bit of cleanup.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:44 PM

Lookin' good there Mark. I really should bite the bullet and try this out.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:49 PM

If you do, feel free to ask me - and others - lots of questions along the way. I had a couple of great mentors when I was getting started and I can't overstate the value of shared experience. It's not hard to do, but it does cost some money up front to do it right, if you are at all picky about the results. It's really a lot of fun and if you are seriously into scratchbuilding (as I am) it's a must.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:56 PM

I'm not much of a scratcher but but i do like to bash and mash lol. especially seats, steering wheels and engine parts. On the OP's subject of tips there's some debate about the 'starter kits'. Alan may have read about those also, what say you about starter resin kits.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:58 PM

Casting a complete engine would be a mess. Many, many opportunities for air pockets and bubbles, not to mention tearing up the molds getting the things out. I agree with casting the block as one piece....I've done many engine molds this way. Most of the rest of the pieces can be done as open face molds - the easiest kind to work with. Be sure to cover the mold after you pour your resin so you get a perfectly flat mating surface. Your problem areas, or the parts that will cost you the most time, will be things like belt/pulley assemblies, exhaust (if you include them) and small parts. The block, heads, intake, oil pan, etc, are all pretty simple.

I pulled molds and cast the entire 429 Ford from the Revell Torino a few years ago. I was pretty happy with the results, though some of the problem parts I mentioned above needed a good bit of cleanup.

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so then in this instance i would cut the engine from the trans and assemble the engine halves and then cast the parts? it seems as if this is going to be a case by case basis. reading your advice, everyones advice, i can surmise that the intricacies of the viper engine would make it beneficial to do the engine halves right off of the tree as the trans and part of the differential and drive shaft are attached. is it better to do the engine halves in one mold and other pieces in separate molds or does that make a difference?

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 03:00 PM

I tried one when I was first starting out and all it did was cost me time and money. There's the right way to do it and then there are the easy and cheap ways. With the easy and cheap ways you generally get back what you invest. If you're just casting one part or a few parts, they may be a good solution, but if you are considering getting into it on any level above that, talk to some of the people who sell their resin and ask them how they operate. I really feel that you need a pressure tank and compressor, and you need to buy good quality silicone mold material and good resin. If there's an alternative I haven't seen it personally.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 03:04 PM

I tried one when I was first starting out and all it did was cost me time and money. There's the right way to do it and then there are the easy and cheap ways. With the easy and cheap ways you generally get back what you invest. If you're just casting one part or a few parts, they may be a good solution, but if you are considering getting into it on any level above that, talk to some of the people who sell their resin and ask them how they operate. I really feel that you need a pressure tank and compressor, and you need to buy good quality silicone mold material and good resin. If there's an alternative I haven't seen it personally.


I went this way to see if i am really going to enjoy and actually do it. if so i will look into a more professional system

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 03:06 PM

so then in this instance i would cut the engine from the trans and assemble the engine halves and then cast the parts? it seems as if this is going to be a case by case basis. reading your advice, everyones advice, i can surmise that the intricacies of the viper engine would make it beneficial to do the engine halves right off of the tree as the trans and part of the differential and drive shaft are attached. is it better to do the engine halves in one mold and other pieces in separate molds or does that make a difference?


I've done it both ways. The main impetus for doing the 429 that way was that it came with a four-speed trans in the kit, and I wanted to build a replica of my racecar, which at the time had a C6 automatic. Casting the entire block/trans as one piece is problematic.....too many undercuts. If I was doing it, I would join the halves of the engine/trans and then separate the trans, but you'll probably have to have two kits to do that, because of the material you'll lose cutting them apart. You might well be able to add the missing material from thin sheet plastic. Casting the engine/trans halves works OK but if there is any warpage in your parts you end up with the two halves not matching exactly. That was my experience, anyway. Large lumps of resin like that can warp a bit and with something as long as the engine/trans, a little warpage can be a real problem.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 03:14 PM

I went this way to see if i am really going to enjoy and actually do it. if so i will look into a more professional system


If you don't get the results you like, don't give up. I liken it to buying a cheap guitar to see if you like playing. Cheap guitars have ended countless guitar playing careers before they ever got off the ground.

Again, that's just my experience, and maybe the kits have gotten better since I got talked into trying one.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 06:59 PM

so this is the first time i have attempted to cast anything and i was knocking around the idea of casting a viper or Ferrari engine and modifying it into a 65 stepside pickup.


If you are using an engine and it's related parts from a kit, then installing it without any major modification to the engine, it would be far easier and cost effective to simply purchase a donor Viper or Ferrari kit from which you can pirate the engine. Viper kits are a dime a dozen, cheap, and you'll spend $60+ just for the casting materials.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 08:18 PM

Heck, i got the dodge truck i dont really care about. It has a Viper engine if you wanna trade? lol

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:31 AM

If you are using an engine and it's related parts from a kit, then installing it without any major modification to the engine, it would be far easier and cost effective to simply purchase a donor Viper or Ferrari kit from which you can pirate the engine. Viper kits are a dime a dozen, cheap, and you'll spend $60+ just for the casting materials.


thats why i went to hobby lobby with the 40% off code got a starter kit for the same price as a model kit and i get to test if i am interested in resin casting. figured this is a 2 birds one stone situation.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:32 AM

Heck, i got the dodge truck i dont really care about. It has a Viper engine if you wanna trade? lol


what are you interested in? i have some old nascar kits and mostly muscle cars

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:36 AM

I'll PM ya

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:08 AM

Well I tried my hand at resin casting last night and this morning and I have to say I think it came out pretty decent. I am going to need more silicon mold material but I think this resin viper engine will find its way into the 39 Chevy coupe that I am building in some form.

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