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Cool; see you down there Tony.

Feel free to join in! Never too late, and with the deadline moved to July 1st, even I might get one finished in time! Those racing Ponies are looking good guys. Thanks for posting them up.

Mike, As Erics pic shows, they should be primer Gray with overspray of body color. Now, I have seen some that the overspray is very minimal and others that have it almost all the way to the trans tunnel. My FOX is that way; factory spray and I have color up into the trans tunnel with primer showing through in only the 'overshadowed' areas.

Thank you for the pictures and illustrations for reference. Keep in mind, the rear reference is for cars 1979-early84 with the TRX/Handling package suspension. Late 84-93 got the quad-shock arrangement. The set-up you have reference for will work for that kit. Good luck with making that a 1985-86; the side trim (belt molding) is unique to the 1985-86 cars and moreso on the GT versions. Your best bet would be make it the 1979-82, or if you feel like blending in the Monogram 83-84 GLX vert nose/hood/cowl area/taillights make it either an 83 or 84 GT. Seats from the monkeys Mustang will work for the 83-86 units with some slight modification (then again, so will the ones in the Cafe Racer kit). Thank you for keeping this kit (and especially your real 86) a 4eye and not leading it to an Aerobortion. No matter how well done, there always seems to be some detail that stands out as to what happened. If you want a 1987-93 look, get an 87-93 and leave the 4eye cars to those of us who love that look (I say this owning both, 4eyes and Aerocars). I will be watching this build, as I have a soft spot in my heart (and an epmty spot in my wallet) for these cars.

You can use the AMT/Monogram 94-95 inlet tube for the mass air conversion on the car, and a file will cure the too-big headrests. Steering wheel......maybe some styrene work. But this is roughly an 81-82 kit, and I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves actual-car wise. The seats are the Recaro twin-post units (1979-82), versus the Lier-Siegler single-post units (83-86). The steering wheel is the 1979-82 unit, with the horn button on the turn signal stalk versus in the wheel. Also, the real steering column was a multi-spline unit (think axleshaft ends) versus the 83-later 'D' splined units. The dash face itself has one less screw holding it in place and would glow green in color versus the 83-86 unit that has the extra screw and would glow red/orange). I have word that Revell is working on a 1991-93 All-New-Tool 1/25th scale Mustang COUPE kit as a 2'n'1. I am beyond excited about this, as it will be the first 1/25th scale Coupe to be offered in plastic and the possibilities for it would be endless.

I do have all the MPC versions, along with the later AMT 87-90 version. As to the kits, I use the AMT or Monogram 1/25th scale 1994-96 Cobra/Mustang GT kits for the engine bay/chassis/drivetrain bits and make the interior panels fit the chassis. 1979 had its own specific inner door panels, same with 1980. 1981 went to the now-standard arrangement of cranks/door lock/door handle locations carried through until the end of the FOX in 1993. Capri parts will interchange with Mustang bits as well. 1979-82 taillight panels are specific to that year group, same as the narrower cowl and trans crossmember/gas tank straps. 1983-93 is pretty much standardized. 1979 had tiny 9" front discs (so did some 1980 models), 1980 and later got the 10" discs. 1979-82 cars also had some K-Member variations, 1983-84 were similar, 85-86 were similar, and 87-90 were similar. 1991, the front control arm locations were revised for less brake dive. Sorry, I will let you get back to the build. In case you are interested, there is a FOX community build going on right now in that section of the forum.

The Cafe Racer is a 1/24th scale kit, based off Monograms 1979 Cobra/Pace Car offerings. While fairly well detailed for the time, it is margainal at best for todays standards. The rear end is neither correct for the 7.5" (1979-85 all and 86 non-V8) or the 8.8" (1986 V8). The 4 cylinder in that kit is still the base engine that the later Monogram SVO kits got (albiet with revised Intake/Exhaust configuration). The wheels are meant to be the ARE mesh wheels available through Ford at the time. I could go on, but why? I too am a FOX lover, with 1:1 Foxes of a 1983 GLX vert V6/auto, 1984 GT Turbo (4cyl/turbo/5spd....less than 4,000 built in 1984), 1986 GT T-Top 5spd, and a 1991GT 5spd.

Photobucket has to make money for the 'free' image hosting somehow....so they bring you bandwidth-killing commercials and pop-up ads! I agree with you; leave the darn system alone. Seems every week it gets harder to link pics from my album, and forget about uploading them if you don't 'Go Pro'.

We just had an 'Ace Doran' rig in our hangar yesterday, picked up one of our jet engines for transport to West Virginia. A Black/Maroon Kenworth T600 and 48' dropdeck trailer.

And the Diplomat/Gran Fury line went until 1989 if I remember correctly. I remember taking a 1987 Diplomat front disc set-up and swapping it back to an earlier Mopar (can't remember if it was an A or B body though.........15 years kind-of kills the brain cells).

So you are telling me B-body headers will work in a Cordoba huh? Guess having to make them for the 440 was just an oops (even though the car came with the 400 option). Cordobas/Magnums/Imperials of that era were considered B-bodies? On second thought, you may be right. A lot of their underpinnings will swap back to MY B-bodies (1965 Dodges) and dads B-bodies (66-67 Coronets and Belvederes). Guess I need to brush up on my later Mopars.......I knew the Valiants were A-Bodies, Just as the Darts (1961-62) were actually B-bodies before they shrunk them to the A-body level. Thank you for the corrections, I will squirrell them away for future use.

A-bodies were the Darts, Dusters, Barracudas (up to and including 1969). B-bodies were your Satellites, Belvederes, GTXs, Coronets, Super Bees, Road Runners (up to and including 1974), Furys (up to and including 1965 below the FuryIII line) C-bodies were your Polaras, Monacos, Furies (1965 FuryIIIs and up), later New Yorkers D-bodies were your Imperials, and earlier New Yorkers E-bodies were the 1970-74 Challengers and Barracudas (Cudas) J-bodies were your 75-later Corbobas, Magnums, Gran Furies, Diplomats, Volaries Vans and trucks went by the D### designation as well.

That is truly a thing of beauty you have created Virgil. I love the whole atmosphere; all the signage and funky gunkness in all of its inglory! And I agree with you on the whole 'other site' issue...........too much political correctness. I made a comment about why they won't show a pic of a General Lee model with the rebel flag on the roof and was banned for a week. It was on TV, in movies, and is a part of media print.........if the 'kids' he is 'protecting' are so succeptible to 'hate' by exposure to that 'horrible icon', then it is their upbringing and mainstream media who have done it. The flag is heritage, not hate.

1980s-contemporary would work. No one really does anything modern, and a 1980s-1990s auto at a 1950s-60s gas pump is out of timeframe.

Motion carried and extension noted in first post.

While this is most certainly not my style of full-sized build (the 510 is, the WAY-TOO-GOOFY to be anything functional camber isn't), I can appreciate the work that goes into a build like this. Smoothing and squaring the engine bay isn't easy to make look right, but when done right it adds so much to the cleanliness of the overall appearance. The cage looks very well laid out and planned for proper fit and I like it. The OS Giken has to be a FuJimmy resin unit as I don't know anyone else who has one or is crazy enought to build one from scratch! Cool swap so far.

Well, I did reply once to a show-and-tell with constructive critisism (complete with pictoral examples of what I was trying to get across to the builder). Yeah.......didn't go over too well. Points were completely lost on the poster and it started a 'you hurt my feelings so I'm not going to be nice with anyone else who posts help' sentiment in the thread. I don't take offense to what is said in my builds (or other replies) too often. If I ask for honest opinions, I want them and will take them into consideration. As to why I don't too often post a reply; simple: I do not possess large amounts of couthe and will tell you like it is. I also have not completed a build in............15 years? Maybe longer. What gives me the right to comment when all I have is 400 started projects in various stages of incomletion?

Could we all agree to bringing the end date out to July 1st? That would extend it to one year total time? I too build slow and have multiple builds going. If we agree, it will be done. Thanks for the input guys.

Really Darin........doing doughnuts in a 2000lb car with 245hp seems pretty close to doing them in a 3020lb car with 350hp. BOTH the Cobra and the FOX Mustang are very tail-light, the Mustang more than the Cobra. BOTH are hard to keep pointed in the same direction consistantly when power is applied. BOTH are squirrelly at any flick of the throttle. Have YOU driven a Cobra? Try doing that same thing with a Viper; have you? I HAVE. I have also driven a Superformance Cobra kit with a 4.6L DOHC 2003 Cobra motor pullied for 550hp. Have you? Tell me again how well they did. Not asking to be a plick, but asking to establish relevance of your reply.

Well Virgil, as to the doors looking too scrungy for the walls; I would say take the walls down a few notches from their almost-too-clean look right now. Given the base and the doors, the walls look fresh and new (even the concrete blocks look fresh).

Challenger meets Bullitt....................nice.

Darin: As to the 'Pimply-faced-kid' age requirement; show me where either he or his father are accomplished drivers. And you know what, for the matter of age; how many Indy drivers have titles by this guys age? How many Nascar, NHRA, and Formula and touring car drivers have titles/sponsors at his age? How many bike racers that are 12-15 have titles? And let's not forget quarter midgets, shifter carts, and cart racing populated by kids (who have a better head on their shoulders than this kids seems to be by this video). And so what if he is the son of the owner and has driven many 'high powered cars'? I guess me driving dads Hemicars, my own 440+6 powered B-Body, a Nitro powered rail, and ESP/GT SCCA cars would constitute the same thing huh? But am I 'accomplished'? No. Does daddy having enough pocket to go to Barrett-Jackson and buy a car like this make him accomplished (either he or his dad)? No. I appreciate your point of view Darin, but look at that burn-out video. Tell me that kid or his dad are accomplished drivers by the total LACK of car control exibited in that vid. I can (and do) do better in my Mustang AND my Dakota V8. My dad drives his 260,000+ mile one-owner Hemicar in Central Florida quite regularly. HE has a LOT more respect for his car than this clown-duo does (and risks just as nice a car in my opinion). Hemicars, like Cobras, are not a dime-a-dozen car. I stand by my point, and if it is not popular, oh well. To my driving eye, these two 'drivers' in the burnout video are second-rate throttle-hacks. Dave; yes I would love to drive a Cobra as a teen. But I did get to drive Hemis, 440+6 cars, 340+6 cars, and Vipers (when Vipers were NEW). I got to be around (and in) Nitro cars, Pro-Stockers, Comp cars, and all sorts of motorsports growing up thanks to my dad, his friends, and my friends. I have ties to jet-dragsters thanks in part to where I have worked and my career field. I consider myself EXTREMELY lucky to have the car background I do, and love every minute of it. Bluesman Mark; thank you for understanding the point I was trying to make. old-hermit; yes, they are just cars. But destroying one does not necessarily make the remaining more valuable. As a collector car, yes it does. But thanks to the kit cars, anyone with modest financial means can have a clone that performs better than the original at a fraction of the cost.

So far, I believe two have completed builds. I had asked if we would like an extension, as several of us are in multiple CBPs, but only Highway (Matt) had responded. There are some nice projects going here, and I would hate to seee them get shut out by a deadline (and I have been busy with other things myself). I will ask again; would anybody want more time or should we let this close on its' original date?

Be advised Virgil, I am taking notes on this build and plan to use some of your techniques in the future. While I have stayed quiet and lurked in this thread since the beginning, I felt a strong need to come forward and tell you just how I felt about this..............awesome! Thank you for always being the first to share some of your amazing builds and techniques with us; I for one am glad you do and consider you a true hobbyist/mentor for this hobby.

Driving it in the rain, ok. But putting a pimply-faced kid behind the wheel of a car such as that and doing 360* burnouts is working it and something to be proud of? NOT. How about putting it up on the street every day or really thrashing it at an open-track day or HPD event? burn-outs in a cul-de-sac.........big deal. I can (and do) that with my 1991 Mustang GT........should someone be proud that I 'work' the car? And for the love of God; will someone shut that yappy little dog up?