DustyMojave

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I think my resin body is probably an R&R Vacuum Craft. So tell me more about the interior fit. You say " Lindberg interior will not fit a johan body without a huge amount of work. " Do you mean...As in Lindberg Plymouth Belvedere interior won't fit the Johan based Savoy body shell? Or that a Lindberg interior for a Dodge sedan won't fit in a Johan-based Plymouth body? Or?

This is very cool. I posted the other day about my brother's '64 Plymouth Max Wedge and its last run at Lions Drag Strip.

Great. Thanks.

Thank you very much for that VERY rapid response. Good info. So which interior would you suggest for it? AA Vintage Johan RAmchargers Interior? And I suppose that external pieces such as grille, tail lights, bumpers should come from a Johan '64 Plymouth then. I DO have a late 70s/early 80s issue Johan (molded in light bright/nowhere near Petty blue) Joan '64 Petty Plymouth kit in my inventory. Maybe I could raid that for the parts I need and get a Lindberg/AMT Petty Plymouth to build. I still presume any of the Lindberg/AMT or Revell B Body Mopar chassis will serve vastly better than an old Johan chassis.

As I said, I expect the body I have was based on a Johan. Will that actually make a difference? Is there much difference in grille and bumper and windows and tail lights between Johan and AMT/Lindberg? I suspect the recent AMT offerings of '64 Mopars are based on Lindberg tools. Much as the '34 Ford Pickup by Lindberg was made with the AMT tool. Or old IMC tools were used to make Lindberg Little Red Wagon Dodge pickup, or AMT 's recent issues of 1/20 scale 1990s Toyota 4x4 pickup and Chevy S10. Can anybody confirm or deny that?

Did you ever figure out that sticker? I want to point out that that intake manifold used in that picture is also not accurate for 1967-68 SCCA rules. What is in the car as restored is a cross ram manifold with a single 4bbl top plate. It should have a standard single 4bbl stock manifold. For '67 and '68 Chevy homologated a 2x4bbl cross ram manifold for the Z28. So to keep the playing field level, maybe it's fair to allow such a manifold on the Dodge. But that's not what the rules said at the time.

I feel the AMT is more accurate in the rear deck area than the new Revell 29 Roadster. The Revell just looks too flat behind the rear cowl. This is a cool old roadster. Some of my elder friends were members for decades of a club called Super Fours. People like Wes Cooper, Kong Jackson, Ray Basso, etc. All that I knew who were members have passed away. But they WERE the hot rodders in the day. That group was ALL about Ford 4 cylinder powered hot rods. Racing at El Mirage and other dry lakes as well as drag racing, track roadsters, and other such racing.

WOW!! it FINALLY worked!!! I've been trying to post this for nearly 2 weeks. I long ago lost track of how many times I tried to post it up. WHEW!!!!

Hi guys. I want to build a model of my older brother Keith's 64 Max Wedge Super Stock that he raced in the 60s. He bought the car from the famous Blair's Speed Shop of Pasadena, CA. It was destroyed 1 night (IIRC 1968) at Lions Drag Strip in Long Beach, CA. Same place Don Garlits had his nasty clutch explosion that caused him to convert to rear engine dragsters. My brother's incident was a night he was bracket racing. Last run of the night for the trophy. He was in the right lane. The competition was a Camaro with a 427. Keith had the Camaro covered big time. Then at the beginning of the lights, a tie rod end popped off (all brand new MOPAR front suspension pieces, ball joints, rod ends, bushings, bearings, etc. that week). The car did a sudden hard left turn. Backed into the left guard rail, bounced off, and got 'T'-boned in the right door by the Camaro. They both tumbled down the track and were both totalled. Both drivers walked away. Time slip for the loss (disqualified because he crossed the line) said "11.27 at 127mph" (rounded off to as far as I remember as I don't recall the smaller digits). The car was an early 64 with the wedge engine, not the hemi. Cross Ram dual AFB carbs. Long tube headers under the firewall, not fender-well headers. 4-Speed. Sedan body, not a hard top. I think that body was called "Savoy". Tan paint (I think "Light Beige"), red interior, including the crappy lightweight carpet. Van bucket seats, no back seat. Roll bar. Diagonal from top left to bottom right behind the seats. 2 rear braces to either the wheel wells or to the frame rails just inboard of the wheel wells. 1 forward brace to the right front floor. The hood had the scoop with the low strip down the center, which is correct for Wedge engine cars, while the hemi cars got a hood scoop with a straight across top. Factory steel wheels all around. Neither my brother nor I have photos, except the images in my brain. My brother doesn't seem to remember too clearly, as sometimes in discussion, he calls it a '63, and sometimes a '64. Sometimes he talks about a hemi engine, sometimes a wedge. I'm pretty damned sure what I remember and I intend to build it the way I remember. Unless somebody comes up with some pictures. Much like this car: Quite a few years ago, I got a resin body shell at a model show in So Cal. Not sure who made it. Now my question... Which of the many Mopar kits of the era should I get to complete the model? I've looked around and just get confused which one to get , or if I should get a little of this and a little of that. Johan (what the body shell was probably mastered from), Lindberg, AMT, Revell, Moebius, ...??? Obviously the chassis will be FAR better from any other than the old Johan metal axle screw in chassis. These days on eBay it's easy to get an engine from 1 kit, a chassis from another, body shell from another, etc. But which ones should I pick from? I need windows and chrome as well as chassis, engine and interior. I think an AMT/Lindberg Color Me Gone 64 Dodge would provide MOST of what I need, but the Plymouth interior, grille, bumpers, would need to come from some Plymouth. It seems the '64 Plymouth is only modeled in the Belvedere/Satellite hardtop body. And the only sedan is the Dodge. The interior tub itself may need to be a Dodge, as the back seat and package shelf may be different shape. So now I'm thinking 2 model kits will be required to make the build. One Dodge 330 or Max Wedge sedan, and one Belvedere hardtop. Any comments/suggestions?

Look for headers to fit Chevy small block or Ford Y-block engines. Same pattern as the Chevy 348-409. Not that in full scale headers for a Ford Y-block would fit a 409. But in 1/25...close enough.

The class would be "/MSP" for Modified Sports Production. Gas class would also work.

But maybe more in line with your model here for further inspiration. A '68 Corvette at El Mirage. In dry lakes racing, there is a class to fit most ANY vehicle.

Me in the Kelly & Hall belly tank at El Mirage about 12 years ago.

The 1st race car I ever sat in. Tom Beatty's belly tank. This is a pic taken by my dad at El Mirage in 1960.

I have a brother who lives just outside of Santa Cruz (Ben Lomond) and he's a surfer. The world is small.

The term "Phantom" as it's used here is a modern, like 1980s-90s+ term. It refers to a car built in a version that the factory did not originally sell. It's most used on hot rods of the 1920s to 1940s. But has more recently been applied throughout motorsports. Like a phantom 2010 Firebird Trans Am. Or a phantom 1934 Ford C400. Or one of my ideas, a 1937 Ford T-Bird. This pickup falls right into line with a phantom I've had in mind since the 1960s. A 1933-34 Ford pickup using the coupe/sedan front with a pickup bed. In some years, Ford built the pickups with the same front clip as the passenger cars. But in 33-38, the trucks were quite different. I've also had in mind '36 and '37 pickups built this way. Hard tops as well as convertible cabs. Back IIRC in the 90's, a Contest Annual issue of that other model mag showed a similar '37 Ford pickup with passenger car front clip. Nice job Glen! What cab back did you use? Is it scratched? The bed looks like Revell '37. Those questions were answered right in the 1st post...derr...

Nice build!!!

The Corolla TE27 is a car that has a special place in my heart. When I was in high school, my dad was the Emissions Lab Supervisor and Spokesman to the US EPA, California ARB and all other US emissions related matters for Toyota USA. One night, my older brother needed to be picked up from an evening college class about 15 miles away across the San Fernando Valley part of LA. It was about 10:30PM when I went to leave the house. Instead of me driving my still stock '58 VW Bug, dad tossed me the keys to the company car he brought home for the night so it would get more real-world miles on it for test purposes. It was the US prototype TE27. In the US, the TE27 was called "SR5". Unfortunately for US motorsports fans, the test unit had FAR more performance built into it than what the EPA would allow Toyota to sell to the public. That little 1.6 liter Hemi Toyota SMOKED!!!! At least... the rear tires did. At one boulevard stop light near the world famous Van Nuys Boulevard cruise location and stop light drag races, I thought I would see how it could take off from a stop. So I revved it up and dumped the clutch. It sat still spinning the rear tires. I up-shifted to 2nd, it still sat still. 3rd, it started to move sideways. 4th gear it started rolling across the intersection. I hit 5th gear before crossing out of the intersection with the back of the car fishtailing gently. On the empty freeway, I got it up to a speed I thought was too fast for even an empty freeway. Way past what the speedo would show. When I got home, near midnite, dad showed me the instrumentation box behind the right seat that recorded everything the car did once the ignition was turned on. But dad said it was OK. They needed hard driving data too. So the question for me is: How will I build the Fujimi Model kit I have? As the Toyota Test unit with data recorder in the back seat? Or as an SCCA B/Sedan race car? Congratulations to Janne. You did a nice clean build. Good job at the model show.

I like this! It makes me start thinking of all the changes I would do, like: replace the big NASCAR fuel cell with a drag fuel cell; replace the front tires with FrontRunner drag tires; ... But then...All that would take it out of the realm of the quick build and into full detail. I understand why those changes weren't done. I get it. Quickie, but inspiring. And I live quite near El Mirage, where the SCTA Bonneville racers play all season except August when they go to Bonneville itself.

Some pics of my own 69 'Cuda on '71 Duster chassis: Comparison of the 2 chassis. Then where the firewall SHOULD fit based on photos of 1/1 Barracudas. MPC accurately located the firewall there BTW. The Duster firewall is between the ribs inside the fenders. How I cut it to adjust wheelbase and where the firewall fits.

I started working SCCA Tech in January of 1963. As far back as I can remember, firewalls were required between the cockpit and a gas tank. The 1964-66 and 1967-69 Barracuda came from the factory with a firewall between them. They had an access panel that could be opened. But it was all steel. There WERE some openings in the steel structure of the upper side inner structure that would have needed to be covered with thin sheet metal. But that covering would look an awful lot like the factory interior pieces in a model. The FIA Group 2 rules that the SCCA Sedan Category and Trans Am rules were based on required all of the stock interior trim be in place... seats, carpets, headliner and all. SCCA preferred that much of that interior be removed for fire safety reasons. SCCA DID want the interior to represent a fairly stock interior from the outside, and required the dash, inner door panels and rear 1/4 panels and deck be in place, but allowed the carpet or floor mats and all seats except the driver's to be removed.

The bright yellow color on that Dart was NOT 1967 Mopar color. I don't know where it came from. The only yellow in the 1967 Mopar charts is a pastel. My buddy had a 64 Barracuda in that same pastel yellow shown in the '67 charts. WAY different from Grable's Dart. I think his Dart was originally white.

Do you have any more comments on the rear inner panels? I'm building a '69 Barracuda into an SCCA A/Sedan (same as Trans Am race series, but the amateur hip-pocket financed racers). I have found a photo of one that was raced back in the day, but only a poor quality photo of it passing by on a race track. So I don't have any detail shots of the interior of that race car and don't know for sure if the interior side panels were removed leaving the inner structure exposed, or if the panels were there . I was an SCCA Tech Inspector back then. But that car was not raced in my area and not everybody reads a rule book the same way. I've been aware since the 1960s that MPC got the rear side interior panels way wrong. I'm also using the AMT '71 Duster chassis. I find it to be correct in wheelbase, but the body is actually a couple or 3 inches short in scale. So I've shortened the chassis to fit. About 1/8" actual. Then it fits beautifully. The rules for A/Sedan racing then required the 273 V8 engine in the car as the max was 5.0 liters or 305ci. Starting in 1970 the rules were changed to allow de-stroking bigger engines to 305, I'm using Duster 340. 1st, there aren't any 273s available in 1/25. 2nd, visually the 340 looks close enough that nobody would know. 3rd, it just might be built as a 1969 Barracuda being raced later on and using a de-stroked 340! I don't want to take over your thread here, so if you're interested, I can share photos of my project so far.