Ford Engine comparison

[slusher]

Wanted to know if the 58 Edsel and the 60 Ford Starliner was the same engine?

[Deuces]

Only if the Edsel came with a fe style motor..... 

[slusher]

1 hour ago, Deuces said:

Only if the Edsel came with a fe style motor..... 

The Fe was made between 58 and 76 so I am still some confused..

[Deuces]

The Edsels also came with the mel style motors and none of blocks, heads and intake that did not interchange with the fe style.....

[Deuces]

The Ford mel motor can be found in the AMT double t kit.....

[slusher]

9 minutes ago, Deuces said:

The Ford mel motor can be found in the AMT double t kit.....

Thanks

[Ace-Garageguy]

17 minutes ago, Deuces said:

The Ford mel motor can be found in the AMT double t kit.....

BUT...the valve covers in that kit are factory for the 368 Y-block Lincoln that came in the MkII Continental. The two-hole configuration will not physically bolt to an MEL engine. You'll have to use other valve covers to get a correct-appearing MEL.

Continental 368 Y-block:        MEL:   

[slusher]

39 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

BUT...the valve covers in that kit are factory for the 368 Y-block Lincoln that came in the MkII Continental. The two-hole configuration will not physically bolt to an MEL engine. You'll have to use other valve covers to get a correct-appearing MEL.

Continental 368 Y-block:        MEL:   

Bill, what other kit has rounded valve covers? Does Amt's 60 Starliner have similar ones?

[Deuces]

I gotta look at that kit again... Been awhile since I had my nose in it.....??

[Casey]

1 hour ago, Deuces said:

The Ford mel motor can be found in the AMT double t kit.....

No, not really.

We've discussed the Lincoln Y block and MEL engine before here on the forum, so for anyone not up to speed on what's actually available in kits, start here:

 

[Ace-Garageguy]

3 minutes ago, Deuces said:

I gotta look at that kit again... Been awhile since I had my nose in it...

That engine has been discussed at length, here and on other forums, though there's still a lot of misinformation floating around.

 

[Deuces]

Sorry for the bad info.... Guess I'll look when I get home from work....

[Ace-Garageguy]

4 minutes ago, Deuces said:

Sorry for the bad info.... Guess I'll look when I get home from work....

Hey man, don't feel bad. That engine has been mis-identified so many times (as either a Y-block or an MEL, and it's neither) and the bad info repeated so many times, it's one of those things that's been accepted as truth.

I never would have known if I hadn't started out researching the Lincoln Y-block in the Holman-Moody prepped Mercury Mermaid.   

A forum member directed me to the old AMT kit as a source, and one thing led to another.  

[Deuces]

Ok, thanks man! ??

Anyway I did Google the box art picture and model..... yes.... It's a Lincoln y-block....

Edited October 8, 2018 by Deuces

[Ace-Garageguy]

20 minutes ago, Deuces said:

 

Anyway I did Google the box art picture and model..... yes.... It's a Lincoln y-block....

No, it is NOT a Lincoln Y-block. The only Y-block thing about it is the valve covers. It's NOT an MEL either. It's an inaccurate-for-anything mashup.

It's all covered in the thread I linked to above:     

 

Edited October 8, 2018 by Ace-Garageguy

[Force]

11 hours ago, slusher said:

Wanted to know if the 58 Edsel and the 60 Ford Starliner was the same engine?

The AMT 58 Edsel Pacer has a 361 FE engine called E400 wich was the torque number for the engine (the MEL 410 engine in the larger cars was called E475), the AMT 60 Starliner has a 352 High Performance FE engine...so to answer your question, they are from the same family as both are FE's and the outside looks very similar, but they are not the same engine as there are internal differences.
The 361 had the same 4.05" bore as the later 390 and the 352 has smaller 4.00" bore, the stroke are 3.50" for both the 361 and 352.

 

Edited October 8, 2018 by Force

[Force]

1 hour ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

No, it is NOT a Lincoln Y-block. The only Y-block thing about it is the valve covers. It's NOT an MEL either. It's an inaccurate-for-anything mashup.

This "thing" they call an engine is not accurate for anything really.

Edited October 8, 2018 by Force

[slusher]

3 hours ago, Casey said:

No, not really.

We've discussed the Lincoln Y block and MEL engine before here on the forum, so for anyone not up to speed on what's actually available in kits, start here:

 

Thanks Casey I read all of one and going to read the small one next

1 hour ago, Force said:

The AMT 58 Edsel Pacer has a 361 FE engine called E400 wich was the torque number for the engine (the MEL 410 engine in the larger cars was called E475), the AMT 60 Starliner has a 352 High Performance FE engine...so to answer your question, they are from the same family as both are FE's and the outside looks very similar, but they are not the same engine as there are internal differences.
The 361 had the same 4.05" bore as the later 390 and the 352 has smaller 4.00" bore, the stroke are 3.50" for both the 361 and 352.

 

Thank you...

[Casey]

Here's good page to find out more about the '58 Edsel engine options: http://www.edsel.com/pages/edsel58.htm#Engines

[slusher]

11 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

That engine has been discussed at length, here and on other forums, though there's still a lot of misinformation floating around.

 

Thanks Bill for your help also.....

[Oldcarfan27]

With all that's been said, I'd glue the hood closed and be done with it.

Or maybe it's time for the veritable LS swap! ?