Accurate Rader(Radir) wheels for the 1/25 Polar Lights 1966 Batmobile?

[crowe-t]

Does anyone make accurate Rader(Radir) wheels for the Polar Lights 1966 Batmobile?

The wheels on the real car were more of a deep dish.

[OutaFocus]

The original issue, and maybe the reissues of the 64 Thunderbolt has a nice set of Radirs.  I’m nit sure what you would need to do for the bat center caps, but they are flat so they should be easy to come up with.

 

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I just checked out one of my Tbolt kits and if you are looking for deep dish, you may need two sets of the rears.

Edited June 22, 2021 by OutaFocus
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[crowe-t]

1 hour ago, OutaFocus said:

The original issue, and maybe the reissues of the 64 Thunderbolt has a nice set of Radirs.  I’m nit sure what you would need to do for the bat center caps, but they are flat so they should be easy to come up with.

 

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I just checked out one of my Tbolt kits and if you are looking for deep dish, you may need two sets of the rears.

Can you post a picture of the Thunderbolt's Radir wheels?

Which company makes the 64 Thunderbolt?

[stinkybritches]

1 hour ago, crowe-t said:

Can you post a picture of the Thunderbolt's Radir wheels?

Which company makes the 64 Thunderbolt?

Check out this thread:

The kit is by Revell. 

 

[crowe-t]

30 minutes ago, stinkybritches said:

Check out this thread:

The kit is by Revell. 

 

Thanks for the link.  I just looked at it and the rears don't look any deeper than the ones that come in the Batmobile kit.

[Casey]

On 6/22/2021 at 7:04 PM, crowe-t said:

Thanks for the link.  I just looked at it and the rears don't look any deeper than the ones that come in the Batmobile kit.

They scale out closer to 16" diameter, too, so probably not a good match for the Batmobile.

The AMT Fireball 500 kit, which was reissued not all that long ago has a smaller diameter set which I think might be a better match. You can get a decent look at them in hpiguy's video here:

 

 

[stitchdup]

try diolex production on ebay, I got some resin ones from there for a vw project

[crowe-t]

3 hours ago, stitchdup said:

try diolex production on ebay, I got some resin ones from there for a vw project

Do you have a link to diolex production on E-Bay?  I can't find it.

[stitchdup]

1 hour ago, crowe-t said:

Do you have a link to diolex production on E-Bay?  I can't find it.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/diolexproduction?_trkparms=folent%3Adiolexproduction|folenttp%3A1&_trksid=p3542580.m47492.l74602

[crowe-t]

On 6/25/2021 at 10:43 PM, Casey said:

They scale out closer to 16" diameter, too, so probably not a good match for the Batmobile.

The AMT Fireball 500 kit, which was reissued not all that long ago has a smaller diameter set which I think might be a better match. You can get a decent look at them in hpiguy's video here:

 

 

How about the ones in the Revell Mysterion kit?

 

Edited June 27, 2021 by crowe-t

[Casey]

9 hours ago, crowe-t said:

How about the ones in the Revell Mysterion kit?

They do appear to be deep dish-ish, so maybe? I don't have any to look over, so maybe someone else can help more.

[dodgefever]

34 minutes ago, Casey said:

They do appear to be deep dish-ish, so maybe? I don't have any to look over, so maybe someone else can help more.

Too big - same diameter as the T-Bolt ones to fit the old Revell tyres.  The ones from the Fireball 500 aren't perfect, but probably as good as it gets for readily available kit parts.

[RockinRoller]

We are into this... we will let a 3D-guy create some... hope it will work out!

We will do the correct Laredo tires also... when it worked out! I will post results here!

 

Greetings

Oliver

Edited January 7 by RockinRoller

[Mothersworry]

This probably won't help you much but for what it's worth...

The rear wheels in the AMT ZZR are the wheels that I used when I built my Batmobile, they are the correct size and depth and the spokes are also correct (slightly curved). I added a hub to the wheel center and had a friend resin cast them for me. I checked with my friend to see if perhaps he still had the mold but no such luck, it's long gone. I built this Batmobile when it wuz first issued so it's been awhile.

Unfortunately the ZZR is a rare and expensive kit but perhaps a fellow forum member may have a wheel to loan or cast a set for you.

Like I said this info might not be much help so if someone can do 3d printing for you that will probably be the more practical solution. 

[RockinRoller]

Very nice - thank you for another possible source!

But I guess the resin-casting days are over... nearly everything can be downloaded, reworked and sla-printed in such a great quality... takes a bit of the romance of days gone by - but opens a "huge" door to so much more possibilities!

We will see, how this will work out...

 

Greetings

Oliver

Edited January 9 by RockinRoller

[250 Testa Rossa]

Those are the same ones in the AMT Fireball 500

[Chris V]

Hopefully I can help and add a little backgound about these wheels:

 

Unlike “Radir”, “Rader” wasn’t a single manufacturer but an entire range of wheels made by different manufacturers. For instance the front wheels on Monogram’s “Bad Man” ‘55 Chevy was a Rader wheel as well. 
The “Rader DBR-100” style wheels featured on the Batmobile were manufactured by both American Wheel Corp and by Mickey Thompson (M/T). These wheels have a somewhat rounded spoke design with a single probounced rib running down the center of each spoke)
The most commonly available source of these wheels is the AMT “Fireball 500” movie car. These wheels have a medium offset (as the Batmobile) and come with separate, winged M/T spinners. The only downside to these wheels is the slightly exaggerated wheel lip, which scales out closer to a 16” wheel in 1:25. 

The same basic spoke design was used in several other old and somewhat rare AMT kits, mostly in showrods as deep offset, rear wheels only. These kits include AMT’s ultra-rare “ZZR” and the “Drag-U-La”. I think one of the 1965-66 Mustang annual kits had a medium offeset set of Rader Wheels as well. Furthermore a single and extremely rare issue of AMT’s 1934 Ford Pickup (including a spray can of pearl paint) had a full set of medium offset Rader Wheels. I believe that these were the basis for the nice medium offset Raders, Modelhaus offered in resin for a couple of years.

As mentioned by others, a deep offset pair of DBR-100 style Raders were included in Revell’s “Mysterion”

 

Now for some of the other similar designs available: 

As mentioned by others, Revell’s 1964 Ford Thunderbolt includes a set of shallow Rader-style mags in staggered diameter front/rear. These wheels have a more flat squared-off spoke design, and are actually closer in appearance to the “Strike” wheels currently manufactured by Rocket Racing Wheels. 

Pegasus Hobbies offers a very similar looking wheels, named “Raiders” for licensing purposes. They’re evenly sized and ever so slightly deper offset than the Thunderbolt wheels. These would be my second choice after the “Fireball 500” wheels for a Batmobile.

Finally, the old pre-painted Polar Lights 1964 Pontiac GTO included a set of zero-offset, contemporary “Radir Tri-Ribb” style wheels with a flat spoke design and ribs runbing down both the centre and sides of the wheel. I’m not sure if later Round2-reissues of the kit included these wheels or the interchangeable American Racing wheels from Polar Lights’ 1965 Dodge Coronet. By adding an outer wheel lip from e.g. the restored reissue of Revell’s “Beatnik Bandit”, these wheels can be modified to look more like the original tri-ribbed Rader design. They are however closer to 16” wheels in 1:25 scale.