Ace-Garageguy Posted June 21, 2022 Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, stitchdup said: this is the t3 engine on a bug pan. its for a bug van so i had to use it instead of the earlier engine for the lower profile. Looks like the waserboxer (water boxer), which is a water-cooled flat 4 developed specifically for the post-'82 European bus. It's not the same as the 411/412 air-cooled engine, but you could probably get it to look close enough to fool most folks.
stitchdup Posted June 21, 2022 Posted June 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said: Looks like the waserboxer (water boxer), which is a water-cooled flat 4 developed specifically for the post-'82 European bus. It's not the same as the 411/412 air-cooled engine, but you could probably get it to look close enough to fool most folks. guess i'll have to scratch up a cooling system, revell didn't include it but it'll be a simple job
Mark Posted June 21, 2022 Posted June 21, 2022 And, while you are at it, check the kit body against all reference material you can dig up. MPC probably cheated the body in one or more ways, in order to make it fit the Ford GT underpinnings. I'd make sure the body is as correct as can be, then do what needs to be done to get the Beetle pan underneath it. 1
ToddModelCrazy Posted June 23, 2022 Posted June 23, 2022 Would the old IMC 1/25 VW Beetle 3 in 1 kit work for you?
JollySipper Posted June 23, 2022 Author Posted June 23, 2022 39 minutes ago, ToddModelCrazy said: Would the old IMC 1/25 VW Beetle 3 in 1 kit work for you? Hey, Friend..... It might would! I'm unfamiliar with that kit. It sounds vintage and rare, though...... I believe I'll just grab a Tamiya kit, since they're cheap and readily available.... 1
JollySipper Posted June 23, 2022 Author Posted June 23, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 6:02 PM, Mark said: And, while you are at it, check the kit body against all reference material you can dig up. MPC probably cheated the body in one or more ways, in order to make it fit the Ford GT underpinnings. I'd make sure the body is as correct as can be, then do what needs to be done to get the Beetle pan underneath it. I've had the MPC Coyote kit in the past. I tried to build it box stock, but that proved pretty much impossible........ What I did notice about the body is the rear "haunches" are more curvy on the 1:1 and they're kinda flattened out on the model......
Ace-Garageguy Posted June 23, 2022 Posted June 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, JollySipper said: ...It sounds vintage and rare, though... Yup.
Ace-Garageguy Posted June 23, 2022 Posted June 23, 2022 34 minutes ago, JollySipper said: ...What I did notice about the body is the rear "haunches" are more curvy on the 1:1 and they're kinda flattened out on the model... Yes, the tooling designers took some liberties, and corrections will be required. Just be glad they didn't work from this sorry mess:
JollySipper Posted June 23, 2022 Author Posted June 23, 2022 Wow! That looks worse than the Delorean-based car......
Oldcarfan27 Posted June 23, 2022 Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said: Yes, the tooling designers took some liberties, and corrections will be required. Just be glad they didn't work from this sorry mess: 18 hours ago, JollySipper said: Wow! That looks worse than the Delorean-based car...... That IS the Delorean based car! Thank You Mr. Barris, another fine mess you've gotten us into. Marty McFly should have had this disaster hit by the train when he got back to 1985. Edited June 23, 2022 by Oldcarfan27
ToddModelCrazy Posted June 24, 2022 Posted June 24, 2022 Hi back, Jolly, I have one of the old IMC VW kits I would be willing to sell, if you are interested. 1
JollySipper Posted June 24, 2022 Author Posted June 24, 2022 Thanks, man, but I'll have to pass....... We're not really allowed to buy/sell here on the forum. Thanks for wanting to help, though!
ToddModelCrazy Posted June 24, 2022 Posted June 24, 2022 No problem, and I am a new forum poster, so I forgot about that. Best wishes, Todd
JollySipper Posted September 3, 2022 Author Posted September 3, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 5:43 PM, stitchdup said: this is the t3 engine on a bug pan. its for a bug van so i had to use it instead of the earlier engine for the lower profile. Les, would you happen to have a pic of one of these engines completed? also, Which kit donated it? Do you have a box art?
JollySipper Posted September 3, 2022 Author Posted September 3, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 5:49 PM, Ace-Garageguy said: It's not the same as the 411/412 air-cooled engine, but you could probably get it to look close enough to fool most folks. Bill, how much work would it be to convert this engine into a "correct for the Coyote" engine?
JollySipper Posted September 3, 2022 Author Posted September 3, 2022 Sorry to bother you guys about this again, but I found an AMT Coyote on the bay...... It was sealed inside of a ratty box, so I got it for a pretty good deal....... Even the decals are there. So, the hunt for the proper running gear begins!
stitchdup Posted September 3, 2022 Posted September 3, 2022 39 minutes ago, JollySipper said: Les, would you happen to have a pic of one of these engines completed? also, Which kit donated it? Do you have a box art? only got one completed but its a turbo so you cant really see much of it. Its from the revell t3 un bus kit but you can find it in the camper and magnum bus too.
Ace-Garageguy Posted September 3, 2022 Posted September 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, JollySipper said: Bill, how much work would it be to convert this engine into a "correct for the Coyote" engine? Under the cooling "tin" and fan, the Beetle engine is similar visually to the 411/412 engine they used in the Coyote...close enough to pass for most anyone who's not intimately familiar with VW aircooleds. Just for the sake of clarity, UNDERNEATH the different cooling fan ducting and "tin", both the VW Bug engine and the correct-for-your-build 411/412 engines look pretty much like this (though there are differences, they're close enough in 1/25 for all but the most hardcore VW buffs): This is a 1600cc Beetle engine, with the "upright" fan driven by the generator/alternator, and the tall fan shroud installed. Below are some photos of the 411/412 engine for comparison. The major visible differences in this 1700cc 411/412 engine and the Bug engine are the fan on the end of the crankshaft, the aluminum shroud that ducts cooling air into lower-profile "tin", and the centrally-mounted fuel injector body attached to the intake manifold tubes. Here's another shot of the cast aluminum fan shroud. How much work is it to convert the Bug mill to a 411?? In my mind, not that much. Some kinda fiddly scratchbuilding, but if you take the time-honored approach of making individual shapes, and then putting them together, it becomes a logical and straightforward task. Edited September 3, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy
Mark Posted September 3, 2022 Posted September 3, 2022 Maybe some careful perusal of available 3D printed items could turn up an engine that is closer than any of the kit parts...
Ace-Garageguy Posted September 3, 2022 Posted September 3, 2022 Another thought...the VW type-3 (squareback / fastback / notchback) has a 1600cc "pancake" engine quite visually similar to the 411/412. Maybe a 1/24 scale diecast could supply something... https://www.vehiclediecast.com/diecast-volkswagen-1600-model-124-scale-gray-by-maisto-p-1720.html
stitchdup Posted September 3, 2022 Posted September 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Ace-Garageguy said: Another thought...the VW type-3 (squareback / fastback / notchback) has a 1600cc "pancake" engine quite visually similar to the 411/412. Maybe a 1/24 scale diecast could supply something... https://www.vehiclediecast.com/diecast-volkswagen-1600-model-124-scale-gray-by-maisto-p-1720.html the engine in those is two parts with a fairly thick chassis inbetween, its probably closer to 1/22 scale too and would be a struggle to fit the coyote or even a t2. hopefully it wont be too long before a 3d print becomes available as they're a popular drag engine. your suggestion of modding the beetle engine is robably the only one for now unless you wanted to do a custom version as theres an og style engine with the porsche fan housing available now. That is a cool diecast though, i have all the vws in the series
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