Moebius 1968 Mercury M100 Announcement

[bytownshaker]

I just watched the You tube video, the automatic trans is a C6 not a C4 as the C6 has no removable bell housing, no removable servo cover on drivers side and it has trans pan with square notch in the rear of it. I was a Ford Trans tech for 40 plus years. I hope this helps.

[Radretireddad]

3 hours ago, bytownshaker said:

I just watched the You tube video, the automatic trans is a C6 not a C4 as the C6 has no removable bell housing, no removable servo cover on drivers side and it has trans pan with square notch in the rear of it. I was a Ford Trans tech for 40 plus years. I hope this helps.

Yes, you are correct. The now three 2wd 1/2 ton long bed kits in the series are the only ones that include a correct C6. The others include a sprue with a 3-speed top loader and a C4. According to my research, Ford never mated any FE to a C4 from the factory.

[Radretireddad]

On 8/3/2024 at 8:17 PM, 1972coronet said:

I positively LOVE the products of VCG. I just purchased the performance version of their 300 six (a stock version is available as well) , and it's gorgeous. I've also purchased their 9" Ford rear (comes with TWO !) , two Slant Sixes (stock and HyperPack) , separate 727 trans, Chrysler small block headers, and some other items I can't recall at this moment.

Don't hesitate - you won't be disappointed.

Thanks for the review. Do you know if those Chrysler small block headers will fit the AMT ‘71 Duster kits?

[1972coronet]

20 minutes ago, Radretireddad said:

Thanks for the review. Do you know if those Chrysler small block headers will fit the AMT ‘71 Duster kits?

I haven't attempted to mate them to any Chrysler LA from any of the kit manufacturers. The only 'provision' from VCG is that they fit their LA-series engine , and I haven't even tried that yet (BTW, they also offer a separate 727 which has two oil pans : one stock, and one finned custom pan. But, again, I haven't yet attempted to mate it to any MPC, et alia, engine).

[Radretireddad]

26 minutes ago, 1972coronet said:

I haven't attempted to mate them to any Chrysler LA from any of the kit manufacturers. The only 'provision' from VCG is that they fit their LA-series engine , and I haven't even tried that yet (BTW, they also offer a separate 727 which has two oil pans : one stock, and one finned custom pan. But, again, I haven't yet attempted to mate it to any MPC, et alia, engine).

Cool, thanks.

[thatz4u]

just arrived at Atomic City

[MrMiles]

does this kit have the same issues with the hood not sitting flush.

i dont know why moebius kits all have issues with the hoods not fitting

 

[Chuck Most]

On 8/5/2024 at 1:31 PM, Radretireddad said:

Yes, you are correct. The now three 2wd 1/2 ton long bed kits in the series are the only ones that include a correct C6. The others include a sprue with a 3-speed top loader and a C4. According to my research, Ford never mated any FE to a C4 from the factory.

That automatic is kinda like the F100 rear axle. You know how the rear axle in the kit looks something like a cross between a Ford 9" and a Dana 44? That transmission looks somewhere between a C4 and a Cruise O Matic.

[deuces wild]

Warren's Hobbies has these in stock already if anyone is interested...

[mk11]

On 8/11/2024 at 7:37 PM, Chuck Most said:

That automatic is kinda like the F100 rear axle. You know how the rear axle in the kit looks something like a cross between a Ford 9" and a Dana 44?

A cross with something, but not sure it's a dana  

 

 

Yes, that's how far off it is.  The revell broncos and Model As have the best scale 9 inch center sections.

Edited August 22, 2024 by mk11

[Chuck Most]

2 hours ago, mk11 said:

A cross with something, but not sure it's a dana  

Look at the back. For whatever reason it makes me think Dana, with a scallop like the back of a 9". Like you put the 9" and a Dana in the pods from The Fly and something weird came out.

I always assumed it was a compromise so Moebius could use the same axle in all the kits, but that theory went out the window when the F250 came with an actual Dana. ?

[MrMiles]

does the hood sit right or is it messed up

[deuces wild]

That I don't know.... All the ones I have of this series of pickups are all good... Guess I got lucky..

[niteowl7710]

16 hours ago, MrMiles said:

does the hood sit right or is it messed up

Be amusing if it were messed up given it's an entirely new hood.

[mikemodeler]

1 hour ago, niteowl7710 said:

Be amusing if it were messed up given it's an entirely new hood.

I always was under the impression that the warped hoods were due to the molding process, not the tool. Kinda like how the ramptruck was riddled with warpage problems.

[Jim B]

So, I am planning on swapping out the kit V8 with a VCG Resins Ford 240/300 I6 stock engine.  The VCG Resins kit comes with either a Ford-O-Matic auto trans, a C4 auto trans, or a 3 speed TopLoader manual trans.  As I understand, the Moebius kit comes with a C4 auto transmission.  Would any of the other transmissions listed be appropriate for a truck?  What would be the most logical?

Thanks.

[niteowl7710]

7 hours ago, mikemodeler said:

I always was under the impression that the warped hoods were due to the molding process, not the tool. Kinda like how the ramptruck was riddled with warpage problems.

Cycling times within the injection process, the parts aren't cooling properly when they're ejected out of the machine. You can usually following the "tuning in" process with Moebius kits as some of those ramp trucks were unbuildable trash and others were reasonably fine. I have 14 of the F-Series cabs at this point and some hoods fit, some really don't and most are 90% of the way there. I think there might be a draft angle issue with it as well, part of the reason the Revell '64-'66 hood is in 3 pieces. Something is torquing the F-Series hood when it gets ejected out of the mold. Ergo making a new hood for the Merc, maybe that can be addressed.

[1972coronet]

I test-fitted the bonnet on my copy of this M-100, and it fits perfectly. No warpage nor other fitment issues.

[Chuck Most]

21 hours ago, Jim B said:

So, I am planning on swapping out the kit V8 with a VCG Resins Ford 240/300 I6 stock engine.  The VCG Resins kit comes with either a Ford-O-Matic auto trans, a C4 auto trans, or a 3 speed TopLoader manual trans.  As I understand, the Moebius kit comes with a C4 auto transmission.  Would any of the other transmissions listed be appropriate for a truck?  What would be the most logical?

Thanks.

1968 was right around the end of the Ford O Matic if I'm keeping my terminology straight. So I would avoid that one.

Automatics were getting way more common by then but with the 300 six I'd keep the manual.

[Jim B]

Thanks, Chuck.  I was leaning toward using the C4 automatic, but I think the kit has the cab parts for a manual as well.

[mk11]

On 8/16/2024 at 8:25 PM, Chuck Most said:

Look at the back. For whatever reason it makes me think Dana, with a scallop like the back of a 9". Like you put the 9" and a Dana in the pods from The Fly and something weird came out.

I always assumed it was a compromise so Moebius could use the same axle in all the kits, but that theory went out the window when the F250 came with an actual Dana. ?

Funny, I was thinking from the other side of things, as moeb's original tooling mockups

had the dana and it was possibly intended for use in all variations of the truck just like they did with the one size fits all F250 hubcaps. This wouldn't have been totally inaccurate because Ford did option the semi-floating Dana 60 5 bolt in the trucks through the 60's (same basic diff as the Chryco hemi cars).  Their 'interpretation' of Ford's 9 inch looks just like a kwikee fix to assuage the questionable impressions forming amongst knowledgeable Ford fans. Who knows...

 

Edited August 20, 2024 by mk11

[mk11]

21 hours ago, niteowl7710 said:

 I have 14 of the F-Series cabs at this point and ...

Kudos on your optimism    I was up to 8 or 9 of the variations at one point but reality set in when I realized how much time was needed to actually make something I could like looking at on my shelf. Down to two now; hopefully be able to motivate to a complete project before time runs out 

[Chuck Most]

Forgot all about the Dana in the mockups. That's taking me back to a time in my life I don't want to relieve. ?

 

[niteowl7710]

2 hours ago, mk11 said:

Kudos on your optimism    I was up to 8 or 9 of the variations at one point but reality set in when I realized how much time was needed to actually make something I could like looking at on my shelf. Down to two now; hopefully be able to motivate to a complete project before time runs out 

I doubt I'll ever build any of them, but ya know the point of having a well stocked home hobby shop and all of that. 

On the other hand vintage F-Series aren't my forte, not that I would throw a 1:1 out of my garage for leaking some oil.  But all in all so much of this hobby is the idea of owning something I most likely couldn't in real life, so I'm not terribly concerned about the ins and out minutia of the kit when it comes to the "right" transmission, or the "correct" size of the rearend or the rest of that.

Edited August 20, 2024 by niteowl7710

[mk11]

On 8/19/2024 at 9:33 PM, niteowl7710 said:

 I'm not terribly concerned about the ins and out minutia of the kit when it comes to the "right" transmission, or the "correct" size of the rearend or the rest of that.

That's totally fair and I don't expect everyone to think like the guys that know these trucks. There's good engineering in these kits but they stand as an anomaly accuracy-wise compared to the rest of moeb and industry standard offerings. Good imagination being shown with 'lipstick' applied, by way of accessories like wrecker bodies, plows etc, to keep the sales and interest up.