Who likes mechanical carnage

[johnyrotten]

This is what happens when you don't use your trusted machinist. The block was bored for sleeves, they went too deep down in the bore and 5 passes in the crankshaft exited the chat. Anyone else get a kick out of stuff like this?  I put up a few pics of the car/engine so you have an idea what it is. Far from stock 

[Ace-Garageguy]

As we know, in some circles, numbers and measuring accurately are considered entirely unnecessary.

But hey...it's got pie-cuts and an airbrushed cam cover.  

Edited November 30, 2024 by Ace-Garageguy

[rattle can man]

but math is complicated! Especially new math.

AI said it was correct.

[johnyrotten]

1 hour ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

As we know, in some circles, numbers and measuring accurately are considered entirely unnecessary.

But hey...it's got pie-cuts and an airbrushed cam cover.  

Yeah, his kids did the art work. He built it, they run it. Not really my kinda thing, but it runs low 7's ,fast is fast. It's CCCRACING on YouTube 

Edited November 30, 2024 by johnyrotten
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[stavanzer]

24 minutes ago, rattle can man said:

AI said it was correct.

The all purpose, 21st Century excuse for all sorts of failures and mayhem......

[slusher]

4 hours ago, johnyrotten said:

Yeah, his kids did the art work. He built it, they run it. Not really my kinda thing, but it runs low 7's ,fast is fast. It's CCCRACING on YouTube 

Bracet racing 1/8 mile I watched some of it …

[bobss396]

My engine builder keeps some blown up parts out on his counter. Twisted drive shafts, kinked up connection rods, broken drives haft yokes, busted cranks, etc. 

[johnyrotten]

10 minutes ago, bobss396 said:

My engine builder keeps some blown up parts out on his counter. Twisted drive shafts, kinked up connection rods, broken drives haft yokes, busted cranks, etc. 

Sometimes you see things that just flat out amaze you. I happen to do work on a few racecars around here, the mechanical follies always amuse me. 

[1930fordpickup]

When you racing and keep your foot to the floor anyones work can be destroyed in a mil a second. 

[Ace-Garageguy]

1 minute ago, 1930fordpickup said:

When you racing and keep your foot to the floor anyones work can be destroyed in a mil a second. 

Which is why it's absolutely critical to get everything RIGHT when you build an engine.

[johnyrotten]

23 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Which is why it's absolutely critical to get everything RIGHT when you build an engine.

No doubt about that, the level level they push these cars to , considering he has to stay within class requirements, is absolutely insane. This, mind you, is a stock block. Most have gone to aftermarket. 

[LDO]

What happened? Did a sleeve hit the crank?

[Ace-Garageguy]

Many years ago I worked in the same shop as a guy who "built engines" for vintage sportscar road racing.

Last one he did, an iron FE side-oiler in a 427 Cobra, I saw him air-gunning the main and rod cap bolts during assembly.

I asked him what the jello he was doing, and he just laughed it off.

Engine wasn't dynoed, car was trailered to Road Atlanta, made it through the warm up lap, soon as the green dropped, not more than half a lap anyway, the bottom end came apart looking much like what we see here.

That was the last time I didn't go to my boss whenever I saw somebody doing something blatantly stupid...for which I became kinda universally hated for a while.

That was also about the time I began to realize how insanely difficult it is to find people who have the knowledge, skill, and DESIRE to get everything right the first time.

EDIT: This was the same "restoration" shop that would pack rusted out rocker panels and other structural areas on unibody cars with steel wool and bondo over it. Once again, I asked the body guy what he was doing, and he actually said he was doing it right, "putting steel back in the rusted out areas". I never knew if he was pulling my leg or really believed it.

I left shortly thereafter to start my own shop.

One of the first jobs that came is was a '67 Rolls Silver Shadow with a cooked engine.

The water pump bearing is an unusual design, made to be relatively easily replaceable, but a shop that "specialized" in British cars (and where I had also worked previously) had packed a badly worn and leaking pump bearing with silicone goo rather than replacing it, and of course it dumped all the coolant first time it was taken anywhere...which happened to be on the way to the airport, with the owner going to pick up one of his clients. 

The job ran long because, in the days before the internet, it was often difficult to quickly find parts for some European stuff over here. We had a Rolls dealer in town, but they insisted the part was backordered indefinitely. The owner became so enraged with the parts delays he threatened to have both my knees broken.

Good times in the car biz.  

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Ace-Garageguy
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[NOBLNG]

12 hours ago, bobss396 said:

My engine builder keeps some blown up parts out on his counter. Twisted drive shafts, kinked up connection rods, broken drives haft yokes, busted cranks, etc. 

Now he should duct tape one of those to the wall and call it art! How much do you think it might go for?😜

[johnyrotten]

2 hours ago, LDO said:

What happened? Did a sleeve hit the crank?

My friend Al told me, due to the material above the mains being removed, weakend the block and this is the result. It's a stock b-series honda block, they re-sleave them from 1.6l out to over 2. Even when they are done right,  it's at the limit. I'm not super familiar with honda's, more of an old school guy myself

[Ace-Garageguy]

2 minutes ago, NOBLNG said:

Now he should duct tape one of those to the wall and call it art! How much do you think it might go for?😜

Depends on how fond the fruit flies are of it, naturally.

[Ace-Garageguy]

Googled  " '67 Rolls water pump bearing", and this is what AI vomited up:

A "67 rolls water pump bearing" refers to a specific type of water pump bearing with a designation code "67 rolls," likely indicating the size and design of the bearing's rolling elements (balls or rollers) within the bearing itself; "rolls" is a common term used to describe the rolling elements in a bearing. 

[johnyrotten]

29 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Many years ago I worked in the same shop as a guy who "built engines" for vintage sportscar road racing.

Last one he did, an iron FE side-oiler in a 427 Cobra, I saw him air-gunning the main and rod cap bolts during assembly.

I asked him what the jello he was doing, and he just laughed it off.

Engine wasn't dynoed, car was trailered to Road Atlanta, made it through the warm up lap, soon as the green dropped, not more than half a lap anyway, the bottom end came apart looking much like what we see here.

That was the last time I didn't go to my boss whenever I saw somebody doing something blatantly stupid...for which I became kinda universally hated for a while.

That was also about the time I began to realize how insanely difficult it is to find people who have the knowledge, skill, and DESIRE to get everything right the first time.

EDIT: This was the same "restoration" shop that would pack rusted out rocker panels and other structural areas on unibody cars with steel wool and bondo over it. Once again, I asked the body guy what he was doing, and he actually said he was doing it right, "putting steel back in the rusted out areas". I never knew if he was pulling my leg or really believed it.

I left shortly thereafter to start my own first shop.

One of the first jobs that came is was a '67 Rolls Silver Shadow with a cooked engine.

The water pump bearing is an unusual design, made to be relatively easily replaceable, but a shop that "specialized" in British cars (and where I had also worked previously) had packed a badly worn and leaking pump bearing with silicone goo rather than replacing it, and of course it dumped all the coolant first time it was taken anywhere...which happened to be on the way to the airport, with the owner going to pick up one of his clients. 

The job ran long because, in the days before the internet, it was often difficult to quickly find parts for some European stuff over here. We had a Rolls dealer in town, but they insisted the part was backordered indefinitely. The owner became so enraged with the parts delays he threatened to have both my knees broken.

Good times in the car biz.  

 

 

Air gun on the mains. There goes your clearances. I'm no engine builder, I've put my share together,  I don't even use air to pull the down. You can tell a ton about an engine by how it comes apart. Sound like you've worked on very nice vehicles,  I've just done the home garage family race team deal. Either way, right is right. And none of that is. 

[johnyrotten]

1 minute ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Googled  " '67 Rolls water pump bearing", and this is what AI vomited up:

A "67 rolls water pump bearing" refers to a specific type of water pump bearing with a designation code "67 rolls," likely indicating the size and design of the bearing's rolling elements (balls or rollers) within the bearing itself; "rolls" is a common term used to describe the rolling elements in a bearing. 

A.I. needs a bit of technical training. Funny how with the entire available to "it", it still delivers a guess

[Ace-Garageguy]

Just now, johnyrotten said:

A.I. needs a bit of technical training. Funny how with the entire available to "it", it still delivers a guess

A lot of what it comes up with sounds like what school kids write for essay-question answers when they have no clue, but believe in the old saw about "dazzle 'em with bullstuff".

[Ace-Garageguy]

15 minutes ago, johnyrotten said:

My friend Al told me, due to the material above the mains being removed, weakend the block and this is the result. It's a stock b-series honda block, they re-sleave them from 1.6l out to over 2. Even when they are done right,  it's at the limit. I'm not super familiar with honda's, more of an old school guy myself

I've been amazed, really amazed quite literally, at what guys were getting out of stock-block Honda B16 and B18 engines.

Though to date I've never laid a wrench on one, if I ever build a serious 4-cylinder hot rod, that'll be the engine.  

[johnyrotten]

11 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

I've been amazed, really amazed quite literally, at what guys were getting out of stock-block Honda B16 and B18 engines.

Though to date I've never laid a wrench on one, if I ever build a serious 4-cylinder hot rod, that'll be the engine.  

I've had 4 vw's, more my thing. Honda seems to me like the g.m. of the import world, they do everything with them, and and they take a beating. Vw on the other hand, a bit more technical,  and temperamental. My last 1.8t was 370ish horse, became a headache to daily drive. Got smart, bought a truck. I leave them alone now, I Iike reliable transportation. 

[stavanzer]

2 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Googled  " '67 Rolls water pump bearing", and this is what AI vomited up:

A "67 rolls water pump bearing" refers to a specific type of water pump bearing with a designation code "67 rolls," likely indicating the size and design of the bearing's rolling elements (balls or rollers) within the bearing itself; "rolls" is a common term used to describe the rolling elements in a bearing. 

What the Ever-Loving........?!

 10 more years, and all the real answers will be drowned out by this B.S. You won't be able to get any trustworthy knowledge from the internet. A.I will have killed it all in a toxic soup of Bad Guesses, Wrong Answers, and just plain Made up Information.

[Ace-Garageguy]

37 minutes ago, stavanzer said:

What the Ever-Loving........?!

 10 more years, and all the real answers will be drowned out by this B.S. You won't be able to get any trustworthy knowledge from the internet. A.I will have killed it all in a toxic soup of Bad Guesses, Wrong Answers, and just plain Made up Information.

Which is exactly why I think AI is doing a remarkably good job of emulating stupid humans who already flood the web with "bad guesses, wrong answers, and just plain made up information", and mindlessly rebleated gibberish they got elsewhere on the "information highway". 

[bobss396]

11 hours ago, NOBLNG said:

Now he should duct tape one of those to the wall and call it art! How much do you think it might go for?😜

This guy had about 10 years on me, he had his bypass 6 months after I had mine. He had houses in Florida and Michigan and a small plane.

He sold the business a couple of years ago, I think some of the same guys are there.

It was a real throwback type of shop, nothing fancy. It had a full kitchen with a formica dining set and a grilling area outside. They put in some hours there.

My buddy had his LS done after my 355 was done. I need to stop in and pick their brains over a 396 I'd like to get into.