Posting photos... and taking the heat...

[Ryan Quantz]

I personally have no interest in low riders, DONKs, tuners, pre-runners and a few other genres. But I atleast give them credit when credit is due. Some builders have amazing skills, but they build cars that I don't like. But I post when I feel the need to- a suggestion or a compliment. The point is, Bashing is not necessary. If you don't like something because of a personal reason, keep your mouth shut. There is a huge difference between bashing and criticism. In my mind, there is not a fine line separating the two.

One thing I notice on message boards is that people take things way too personal. Then they combat a "personal" attack with another one! Grow up, get over it and just take it easy. The beauty of life is that we are all different. Everyone sees the same thing in a different light and we need to be civilized beings and take comments and criticism just as it is. We will NEVER all get along, nor will we all ever agree on everything. But we have to big enough to discuss things, not argue. If you are getting too worked up over it or get your feelings hurt, you need to take a step back because if you're taking life that seriously, you're doing it wrong.

I am reminded of one of my favorite quotes:

"Never argue with an idiot. People watching will have a hard time telling who's who."

[Guest Mustang3.8]

Here are the ones I could find for you, Brandon. There is also a 1/20 th scale '78 Monte Carlo hopper as well.

[old-hermit]

These days it seems we have to make everybody feel good ...

... In life, there are winners and losers. That's just how it is. The truth hurts, and you cannot expect an OOH or AHH with everything that you do ...

... Sorry if I hurt anyones feelings, but my feelings got hurt plenty on my road in life and i'm a better man because of it.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

Edited July 20, 2009 by old-hermit

[Nick F40]

I'm not a professional photographer and if you don't like some of them, I really couldn't care less if you don't like them, if you do, awsome and i'll talk to you about it probably but I don't give a rip if you give me heat about them.

politic-al correctness is for whiny wieners

Edited July 20, 2009 by Nick F40

[Harry P.]

Political correctness and constructive criticism are two entirely unrelated things, one has nothing to do with the other.

[Harry P.]

but Harry i could offer you some "constructive" criticism on what your stated opinion of what "political correctness" is

Dave

Hit me...

[old-hermit]

Political correctness and constructive criticism are two entirely unrelated things, one has nothing to do with the other.

Constructive criticism IS criticism.

If you voice your opinion and offend someone you are subject to the consequences.

Political correctness is the absence of criticism. As my granny used to say "Same thing only different".

[Harry P.]

Constructive criticism: "Looks like the tubing you used for the roll cage is a bit small... you might want to step up a size or two for a more realistic look."

Political correctness: "It seems that the tubing you used for the roll cage is circumferentially challenged...you might want to consider an increase in the radial measurement aspect in order to achieve a more prototypically-adherent reality."

[old-hermit]

Constructive criticism: "Looks like the tubing you used for the roll cage is a bit small... you might want to step up a size or two for a more realistic look."

Political correctness: "It seems that the tubing you used for the roll cage is circumferentially challenged...you might want to consider an increase in the radial measurement aspect in order to achieve a more prototypically-adherent reality."

Just like I said , same thing only different !!!

[cruz]

You guys are reta...ummmm....mentally challenged

[roadhawg]

Constructive criticism: "Looks like the tubing you used for the roll cage is a bit small... you might want to step up a size or two for a more realistic look."

Political correctness: "It seems that the tubing you used for the roll cage is circumferentially challenged...you might want to consider an increase in the radial measurement aspect in order to achieve a more prototypically-adherent reality."

Constructive criticism: "Looks like the tubing you used for the roll cage is a bit small... you might want to step up a size or two for a more realistic look."

Political correctness: "Perfect job on the roll cage! And you even got the size right! It's a shame Revell tooled the rest of the kit slightly oversize....that makes your perfect tubing look small."

[Nick F40]

You guys are reta...ummmm....mentally challenged

aaaahahaha

[Modelmartin]

To be politically correct on this thread one needs to criticize political correctness!

When I see pics of a poorly built model posted I just don't say anything. I don't have time and don't see the point. I only comment in the positive when I see something I really enjoy or am impressed with.

[Harry P.]

When I see pics of a poorly built model posted I just don't say anything. I don't have time and don't see the point. I only comment in the positive when I see something I really enjoy or am impressed with.

The problem with that approach, IMO, is that nobody will grow and improve as a modeler. If the only feedback we ever give is positive, and if we pretend not to notice any problems or bad technique, how is someone who obviously has a ways to go as a modeler ever going to learn, refine his/her skills and become a better modeler? Are we really doing that person a favor by handing out false praise?

Totally hypothetical example, I'm not referencing any particular build, but just making a point: Someone posts photos of a model that has hand-painted chrome trim done in silver paint, and the brushwork is fairly sloppy. Which reaction would ultimately serve that person better?

A. "Nice build, you really nailed it, good job," etc.

B. "Next time try using BMF to do the chrome trim... there's a learning curve, but once you get the hang of it you'll never brush paint your chrome trim again... with foil you'll get a much more realistic look, and straighter lines than you can achieve by brush painting the chrome trim with silver paint. If you have any questions, just ask... there are plenty of people here who can give you some pointers."

See what I mean?

[cosmiccadillac]

Many times I see a posting that is just bad. Rather than point it out I stay quiet.

I'm not gonna say Great Paint....when its not.

Just remember , a camera sees exactly whats in front of it ! It sees every unsanded line and every paint run. look before yapost !!!!!!!!!!!! Ed Shaver

I recently saw a post that had a close-up of the nose of a car. The close-up showed a BIG run in it and people were commenting on how nice the paint was. I couldn't believe it, but obviously you dont want to bash anybody. Everybody gives it their best effort, and depending on your experience some people just can't see whats wrong with their work. Constructive criticism is good, but I couldn't think of a way to point out the defect without sounding like a jerk, so I didn't post.

[VW Dave]

I have become a much bigger fan of constructive criticism as I've grown older, and posting pictures on the web opens the door for both good and bad comments....dealing with it just 'comes with the territory.'

[Custom Hearse]

B. "Next time try using BMF to do the chrome trim... there's a learning curve, but once you get the hang of it you'll never brush paint your chrome trim again... with foil you'll get a much more realistic look, and straighter lines than you can achieve by brush painting the chrome trim with silver paint. If you have any questions, just ask... there are plenty of people here who can give you some pointers."

The problem there Harry, is that some people will still be offended by the comment. I've seen time and time again where someone will give advice such as yours, and the person it's given to will take as you being better than them. And then they will reply back: "Well, you don't like the way I built it *%#@ YOU!". They seem to get it in their head that you are trying to act as a parent would and they just don't like it.

I partially agree with Martin, except that I will give someone some advice, and if they come back with an attitude, I will no longer give that person the time of day.... Sorta weed out the problem posters.

As the old saying goes, you can't please all of the people all of the time.

[elan]

My grandmother used to say"If you can't take the heat. Get out of the kitchen". So don't post if you can't take it. If you put your work on display someone is bound to take a shot at it.

[Zoom Zoom]

When I see pics of a poorly built model posted I just don't say anything. I don't have time and don't see the point. I only comment in the positive when I see something I really enjoy or am impressed with.

That sums up how I feel as well, unless someone specifically asks for comments/critique. Otherwise I stay quiet. Not everyone wants criticism, constructive or not.

[Harold]

I never learned proper cursive writing by the teacher telling me my chicken scratching was good. I never learned to drive without the instructor screaming at me to quit dropping the right wheels onto the the shoulder (hey, it was a big Plymouth wagon on two- lane country roads). I never learne to draw without lots and lots of practice and a lot of input from my teachers. Same here. You won't become better at anything unless you accept critical analysis from those who view your work.

[Ryan Quantz]

I never learned proper cursive writing by the teacher telling me my chicken scratching was good. I never learned to drive without the instructor screaming at me to quit dropping the right wheels onto the the shoulder (hey, it was a big Plymouth wagon on two- lane country roads). I never learne to draw without lots and lots of practice and a lot of input from my teachers. Same here. You won't become better at anything unless you accept critical analysis from those who view your work.

Isn't that the truth!

But we need to realize there are some people who don't want to/don't feel they need to get better. Some just slap things together and throw em out to get compliments. Some just don't care. Some just can't get better for various reasons. The last one on that list are the ones who are usually gracious about feedback. I still feel that if you have such thin skin that you cannot handle some internet comments about your work, don't post. I am an artist and a writer, amongst other things. Do you think everyone likes my work? Do you think I DON'T get criticized? **** NO! But I take it for what is it. Sometimes they have good points, sometimes not. It's all good. If you only get better doing things, than whatever spawns it can't be too bad.

[old-hermit]

Hey Harry, I found the perfect example of "Political Correctness".

"Remus Reid, horse thief , sent to Montana Territorial Prison 1885, escaped 1887, robbed the Montana Flyer six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives, convicted and hanged in 1889."

"Remus Reid was a famous cowboy in the Montana Territory. His business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings with the Montana railroad. Beginning in 1885, he devoted two years of his life to government service, finally taking leave to resume his dealings with the railroad. In 1887, he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective Agency. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held in his honor when the platform upon which he was standing collapsed."

[Harry P.]

Hey Harry, I found the perfect example of "Political Correctness".

"Remus Reid, horse thief , sent to Montana Territorial Prison 1885, escaped 1887, robbed the Montana Flyer six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives, convicted and hanged in 1889."

"Remus Reid was a famous cowboy in the Montana Territory. His business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings with the Montana railroad. Beginning in 1885, he devoted two years of his life to government service, finally taking leave to resume his dealings with the railroad. In 1887, he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective Agency. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held in his honor when the platform upon which he was standing collapsed."

Beautiful, man... just beautiful! Sounds exactly how some government bureaucrat would have written it!

That last sentence is too funny, I love it!

[Guest Mustang3.8]

Isn't that the truth!

But we need to realize there are some people who don't want to/don't feel they need to get better. Some just slap things together and throw em out to get compliments. Some just don't care. Some just can't get better for various reasons. The last one on that list are the ones who are usually gracious about feedback. I still feel that if you have such thin skin that you cannot handle some internet comments about your work, don't post. I am an artist and a writer, amongst other things. Do you think everyone likes my work? Do you think I DON'T get criticized? **** NO! But I take it for what is it. Sometimes they have good points, sometimes not. It's all good. If you only get better doing things, than whatever spawns it can't be too bad.

Once agian, another great piece of advice, Ryan.

[Ryan Quantz]

Wow, that is just amazing! I love it!