Harry P. Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 Over 2000 kids sent their winning models... Who was responsible for mailing all of those models back?
Chuck Most Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 At today's rates, that'd be... what, fifteen grand or so in shipping. Yikes.
Harry P. Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 Enter the digital camera to save the day! Which brings us full circle right back to what we were talking about: photo-only contests!
MikeMc Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 But that was their whole point... in order to enter you have to buy another R/M kit. Their goal wasn't to reward worthy entrants, their goal was publicity and to sell more product. Well after 5 pages of comments...I suspect the marketing department will be satisfied. After all this I suspect next time...if we are lucky enough, a lot more entries will come in and a few tweaks might result in a better contest.... Can a poor model look good in a quality picture? No not a chance, Can a mediocre model look good in a quality picture? Yep..Harry knows..sorta like ROM..the image won't lie....BUT you have to look, and only a quality image will give you the edge....
Harry P. Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 Can a poor model look good in a quality picture? No not a chance Wrong! Anyone who's good at Photoshop can make a lousy model look like a contest winner. It's easy if you know how. I wonder how the photo-only contests deal with retouched photos? If done skillfully you'd never even know it was done.
Harry P. Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 I (or anyone who's good with Photoshop) can take a photo of a model with sloppy BMF, an orange-peel paint job and glue smears on the glass, retouch all the flaws and make the model look pretty much perfect. And if I didn't tell you, you would never even know that I did it.
Bowtienutz Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 Ken Leslie from Little Rock built the 51 merc. his stuff is aways very nice and a heavy hitter for best paint wherever he goes. Congrats Ken
Scale-Master Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 I just want to be clear; my earlier statement about how someone could use Photoshop was in no way intended to mean I thought any of the entrants had used photo editing software to enhance their model. But Harry's point is valid too, done well, it is untraceable, until you see the un- retouched real model...
SuperStockAndy Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 I never thought of using Photoshop for that. Thanks for the idea! :lol: I wouldn't do that, I'd never be able to figure out Photoshop for the life of me. Besides that'd be cheating, and well, yeah.
bandit1 Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) hey if all you guys pay alittle closer attention to the page go all the way down to the bottom and you will read " Keep watching our site and future GearZ episodes for news about the 2012 contest!" Edited August 10, 2011 by bandit1
Dr. Cranky Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 hey if all you guys pay alittle closer attention to the page go all the way down to the bottom and you will read " Keep watching our site and future GearZ episodes for news about the 2012 contest!" And that's a wonderful sign indeed.
Jantrix Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Harry you are of course correct on how Photoshop could change things in a photo contest like this. But as it's been shown so far, a vast majority of the entrants couldn't even take a decent photograph, much less have the know how to retouch a photo. Probably another reason why Revell would not want this becoming a prestigious event.
Harry P. Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Harry you are of course correct on how Photoshop could change things in a photo contest like this. But as it's been shown so far, a vast majority of the entrants couldn't even take a decent photograph, much less have the know how to retouch a photo. Probably another reason why Revell would not want this becoming a prestigious event. Sure the average guy wouldn't be able to do it. But I could. And so could a lot of other people. So the question is... how does the sponsor of a photo-only contest make sure none of the entries have been doctored? Imagine the embarrassment to the contest sponsor if it comes out that the winning entry of a photo-only contest had been retouched?
Lunajammer Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 One of the reasons I didn't compete was that it was tied into a television show. While the promotion may benefit Revell and the hobby in general, Gearz has an interest in the outcome. Like any loosely scripted or directed reality show, producers will also help select models that will most benefit their story line or their production. I'm willing to bet there were morning meetings about which models most represented what Gearz is about. From the beginning I've had a hunch the renown hobbyist judges, whether they knew it or not, were probably invited on board to add credibility. But nothing happens by accident on produced programs. Gearz doesn't strive to teach viewers how to build March, Lola or Ferrari engines to elite auto makers. They're meat and potatoes television for a vast audience of average car guys. The scale contest could only be the same way. However it would surprise me if they didn't at least spotlight some elite builds to show what COULD be done with models. I fully expect any future contests to follow the same criteria, but I wouldn't let it stop anyone from entering. Just make a nice clean build that you think represents the full scope of the spirit of what Gearz is about.
MikeMc Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 What about the info tags that each camera imprints...I have never tried to alter those in PS..and most images done in photoshop format lose that info don't they?.....I'm talking about the tech info...focal length, camera, resolution, balance, et al.....
Harry P. Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Good thing Monogram and Revell are one entity now. This could have provided the seeds of Monogram's long-stewing revenge for Darell Zipp, Revell employee, winning the Predicta off of Monogram in a model contest many years ago. Don't know that story. Details, please...
crazyjim Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 I think it's a great thing that Revell did with the contest. Hopefully millions of people will watch the show, see the builds, and get interested in the hobby. So what if it a big PR deal for Revell and is/was expected to increase sales. If Revell makes more money, maybe they'll put some money into fresh molds and new kits for us to build. I entered the 2011 contest (didn't place) and plan to enter the 2012 contest (and probably won't win it either), but I'll be able to enjoy my hobby while I'm building.
Dr. Cranky Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 I entered the 2011 contest (didn't place) and plan to enter the 2012 contest (and probably won't win it either), but I'll be able to enjoy my hobby while I'm building. That's what it's all about!
bigmikevee Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 It's supposed to be fun, but that point seems to be missing from most of these posts.
Harry P. Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 It's supposed to be fun, but that point seems to be missing from most of these posts. Building models is fun. But we're talking about entering a contest. People don't enter contests to "have fun," they enter contests to win. Anyone who claims that they "don't care" if they win or not is kidding themselves. If you really don't care, why are you entering a competition? Seems to me that if you really don't care about winning, entering a contest is completely pointless, isn't it?
Dr. Cranky Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Yes and no, Harry. I think sometimes one enters a competition to bring up the number. I understand this one is large to begin with because it's nation wide, but let's say you belong to a club and so it behooves everyone to enter just to keep the blood flowing. I do agree that one does enter a contest to compete, pure and simple, but there's also the fun and excitement of everything the competition entails.
Guest Johnny Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Building models is fun. But we're talking about entering a contest. People don't enter contests to "have fun," they enter contests to win. Anyone who claims that they "don't care" if they win or not is kidding themselves. If you really don't care, why are you entering a competition? Seems to me that if you really don't care about winning, entering a contest is completely pointless, isn't it? Not at all Harry! For some just like in 1:1 it is all about being aroud those who enjoy the same hobby and entering is just part of connecting with them! I used to enetr all I could when I was young and the same in later years in 1:1 car shows and I can honestly say it made no difference to me if I won or not. I was having fun! Like posting your work on the site! All about belonging to a group that shares the same interest! Life is too short to get your undies in a wad over something as trivial as a model contest or car show! But then some take things a little too serious and that takes all the fun out of doing it! Those are the ones you have to wonder why they bother enter in the first place!
2002p51 Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Building models is fun. But we're talking about entering a contest. People don't enter contests to "have fun," they enter contests to win. Anyone who claims that they "don't care" if they win or not is kidding themselves. If you really don't care, why are you entering a competition? Seems to me that if you really don't care about winning, entering a contest is completely pointless, isn't it? Yes and no. I enter contests because, for me anyway, it's fun to compete. And I am trying to win, but I also just want to show off my work and see what others are building. I have the same attitude when I enter 1:1 car shows. If I win something, that's icing on the cake and just made my day better, but if I don't win anything, I'm fine with that and don't get my knickers in a bunch, because I still had a good time at the show. So I do care if I win, and don't care if I don't. Does that make any sense?
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