Jantrix Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Working on an OOB build for contest and the knob for the stick shift is just ity-bity. If I was to dip this in epoxy a couple of times to enlargen it, and then sand it round, would it count as modified and there-for no longer OOB legal? Seems to me, it would be fine because I'm just adding something to the existing part which isn't much different than paint or foil. Opinions?
george 53 Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 If ya used the KIT shiftyer and did that, then it's a modded KIT part. I would THINK it still came under the OOB rules. You DIDN'T substitute the part, only modded it.Can't honestly see how that could be wrong.
Jantrix Posted January 6, 2012 Author Posted January 6, 2012 Well under most OOB rules, modifying a part generally isn't allowed, like lowering suspension by modifying spindles. Or am I wrong about that? From the IPMS rule book. CONSTRUCTION. The modeler may fill seams and gaps; sand off rivets; drill out gun ports, exhaust pipes, or other appropriate openings; thin to scale such parts as trailing edges, flaps, and doors; re-scribe panel lines lost in construction; and add rigging and antennas. IT IS NOT PERMITTED TO: vacuform, manufacture, or replace any part, or substitute parts from another kit; cut or separate canopies, surfaces, hatches, doors, etc. (no major surgery); combine a standard kit with a conversion kit; add anything other than specified on the instruction sheet except as shown in Section C above or specifically exempted by the respective Head Judge. I realize these leave a lot open to interpretation.
Ramcharger Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Well, the roof was a little too high so I chopped it a little. I used the kit parts and a little putty, that's all. The suspension was a little high so I just redrilled the holes in the wheels to have it sit lower. I used the kit parts and just drilled holes in them. I used the sprue that came in the box to build a roll cage with a little epoxy. It came in the box and I only added a little epoxy to clean it up. I added epoxy to the tires to make them wider and then some putty to the fenders to flare them out a little so the fenders would fit, it all came from the box to start. I cut a hole in the hood so the blower would fit. The blower was made out of the extra customizing parts that came in the box, well, that and a little putty. It was only stuff from the box. I used the instructions to make the seat belts and melted down the extra metal axle to make seat belt buckles, but that stuff was in the box. So are we discussing the letter of the law or the spirit of the law? Because if we are discussing the letter of the law, you can do the win at all costs thing as described. If we are discussing the spirit of the law, you cannot modify any kit parts except to correct manufacturing flaws. The idea is to level the playing field to let modelers compete at the basic skill level to see who's modeling skill is the best. Not who can add the most modifications. That is the slippery slope of it. If you want to modify parts, there are plenty of classes for you to compete in. Oh, and have fun! Because that is the point!
Guest Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 That's a tough call Rob. Like you said,usually parts aren't allowed to be modified. Some contests allow a little more than others. I think it would depend on how much you changed the look of the shifter. I think if it's only the knob you're modifying,you should be OK. At a show last year,the winning model had had a substantial lowering job done on it and either the judges didn't catch it or it was an allowable modification. Either way,the suspension was NOT box stock.
Harry P. Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 I agree with Greg. If you don't say anything... who in the world would ever know?
MikeMc Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 That's a tough call Rob. Like you said,usually parts aren't allowed to be modified. Some contests allow a little more than others. I think it would depend on how much you changed the look of the shifter. I think if it's only the knob you're modifying,you should be OK. At a show last year,the winning model had had a substantial lowering job done on it and either the judges didn't catch it or it was an allowable modification. Either way,the suspension was NOT box stock. If it came in the box....use it.....Sprue and even the box itself can be used in many contests...UNLESS IPMS rules then you gotta read close...check your entry sheet..it should give clarification
roadhawg Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Think. Like you said, modifying the part would be open to interpretation. it MIGHT be legal, it might NOT, depending on the judge. Painting the part with a couple of coats of a really thick paint, however, would be completely legal.
roadhawg Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 I agree with Greg. If you don't say anything... who in the world would ever know? This forum has BILLIONS of viewers. Whoever is going to judge the model is probably reading this as we speak.
bigphoto Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 As a past head IPMS judge I say go for it but if you are skeptical do like RoadHawg said use a thick dolup of paint to make it larger.
Harry P. Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 This forum has BILLIONS of viewers. Whoever is going to judge the model is probably reading this as we speak.
Tony T Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Last show I attended laid out in the contest rules what constitutes a model that qualifies for the OOB class. Basically, built from the box contents with finishing supplies allowed such as glue, paint and Baremetal foil only. Minor filler use was allowed for basic filling of sinkmarks, etc. The instruction sheet was also to be supplied with the model.
Greg Myers Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 I agree with Greg. If you don't say anything... who in the world would ever know? Then what's the point ?
Dr. Cranky Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 If you are going to drive yourself batty over all the little details and rules, then it's no longer that much fun, now is it? I say just follow your intuition and have fun.
Jantrix Posted January 6, 2012 Author Posted January 6, 2012 Honestly...do you think they would notice? It would be my luck that someone else will have built the same car OOB and the difference might be noticed, and then I'd have some "esplainin to do Lucy". I think Ramcharger has the right of it and I'll play along. I'll use the part as is. *sigh*
Nate Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 If you use paint to make it appear thicker, I think that would be within the rules, since all you did was paint it, a lot. One of the best Box Stock models I recall seeing was at the MCMA Showdown in Iriving, TX a few years back. It was a 71 Charger Built by an MCMA member that was built weathered with ripped seats. Claude detail painted the weathering and created the ripped seat look with BMF and paint, which were all within the rules.
Draggon Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 You melted down the metal axle? Are you serious? How in the heck did you do that and then form buckles?
Ramcharger Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 You melted down the metal axle? Are you serious? How in the heck did you do that and then form buckles? I was speaking in hypothetically! Let me just say that the size of the shifter knob is probably not going to make or break a quality winning build either way.
Guest Johnny Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Unless you are expecting them to take your model apart and whip out the old dial caliper why are you even worried about it? If a judge was that anal about it and disqualified a model over something like that he needs smacked up the side the head as a reality check! Edited January 6, 2012 by Johnny
Jantrix Posted January 6, 2012 Author Posted January 6, 2012 The plan was to increase the size of the knob so that it was large enough to create and 8-ball shifter know. Like so. I used a pin on this one but you get the idea.
LoneWolf15 Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 Ron , This can be done with Testors gloss white enamel straight out of the bottle , I do it all the time ! Sharp pointed brush and a little bit of patience and finesse will get you where you want to be !
AMT Pacemakers Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 I'd say do it and see just what happens.. I like to build "parts box stock" myself. But even that can have problems. Robert
MikeMc Posted January 6, 2012 Posted January 6, 2012 The plan was to increase the size of the knob so that it was large enough to create and 8-ball shifter know. Like so. I used a pin on this one but you get the idea. Heres a rub, look at the 8 Ball and the steering wheel center, then the door handle.....the 8 ball is way out of scale...Kool, but very easy to spot. Not sure if I could hand paint the 8 anymore...I find some glass piercing jewelry works great....but no good for OOB
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