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BUILD IS A SHORT VERSION OF "BUILDUP"

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  On 11/19/2012 at 10:25 PM, Harry P. said:

And I used the dictionary in my post because the dictionary is the "referee" as far as correct usage, spelling and grammar. If we didn't have an accepted "official" source, and no rules for grammar, spelling, etc. at all, we'd all be speaking and writing our own version of English, and odds are most of us wouldn't understand each other.

And of course, all linguists agree that Engilsh hasn't changed at all since it was first spoken, in its perfectly developed form, and so a dictionary that was valid 200 years ago is still 100% correct in every way today, because it's not how people actually use the language that shapes it over time, but it's an arbitrary, never-changing, rigid standard in a book.

Actually, I'm inside a dog, and it's just too dark to read the damned dictionary anyway. :P

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  On 11/19/2012 at 10:45 PM, Ace-Garageguy said:

And of course, all linguists agree that Engilsh hasn't changed at all since it was first spoken, in its perfectly developed form, and so a dictionary that was valid 200 years ago is still 100% correct in every way today, because it's not how people actually use the language that shapes it over time, but it's an arbitrary, never-changing, rigid standard in a book.

Actually, I'm inside a dog, and it's just too dark to read the damned dictionary anyway. :P

Who said language doesn't change over time? Obviously it does, and obviously dictionaries are constantly edited to add new words and remove obsolete ones. But the dictionary is still the recognized source for correct spelling and usage. And by the way, I didn't use a 200-year old dictionary, I used dictionary.com, which I'm pretty sure didn't exist 200 years ago. :rolleyes:

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The only point I'm trying to make is that if enough people, for long enough, use 'build' as a noun to mean 'something being built', it most likely will become accepted usage and make it into the book of rules. In the recent past, several verbs have taken on usage as nouns, and nouns have added verb usages to their definitions (in the less abridged dictionaries, anyway). I agree that precision in language use IS important, and writing within the accepted framework of today's language is essential for clear communication, but if enough people accept a particular usage, it BECOMES the accepted usage.

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I think Ace was speaking 'tongue-in-cheek,' which is an ironic or mildly sarcastic version of 'speaker-inside-dog.' :P

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]"I supplied all the Parts ..."

And, sorry, Michael, but if you supplied "all the parts" to the builder, he is NOT scratchbuilding a model for you. He might be assembling one. He might scratchbuild other portions of it. But if you ~ or anyone else ~ provides "all the parts" he cannot scratchbuilt it. Period.

"Scratchbuilding" is mutually exclusive of any form of 'out of box' or kitbashing or assembling of parts.

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  On 11/19/2012 at 11:03 PM, bill_rules said:

Does anyone know of a model car forum around here?

Try looking "Under Glass" or "On the Workbench" or in "Big Boyz" or "Car Kit Reviews" or the Trucks section or "Model Building Q&A," just for starters. This is the "General" section.

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  On 11/19/2012 at 11:07 PM, Ace-Garageguy said:

It's now Language Theory, and it's a graduate level course.

Wow, even the name of the thing that teaches you how to use names can't stick with it's own.

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  On 11/19/2012 at 11:09 PM, Harry P. said:

Try looking "Under Glass" or "On the Workbench" or in "Big Boyz" or "Car Kit Reviews" or the Trucks section or "Model Building Q&A," just for starters. This is the "General" section.

Now I understand my problem here. I'm not a general. :mellow:

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  On 11/19/2012 at 11:49 AM, 2002p51 said:

And in the very same post you used the word "build" as a noun which is also incorrect. I'm just sayin' :D/>

But of course you're not alone in this. The incorrect usage of build has become so common as to be almost acceptable. Drives me crazy though. I have hundreds of completed models and several ongoing projects, but nary a "build" in the bunch!

............Remember when coffee was strictly a noun ? l've never "coffeed" with anyone. Terminology is constantly changing. l assume you don't use scissors & glue to cut & paste on a computer? l also am bothered at times by the misuse of scratch built. But how literally are we to take this ? Do l need to be a chemist to make my own plastic, or a metallurgist to smelt or forge my own metal parts ? It would be nice if scratch built stayed the way it is now: fabricating your own parts from existing materials, but l fear this special word will continue to evolve just as our beloved hobby has. Sometimes you gotta take the good with the bad. Bart.
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  On 11/19/2012 at 11:33 PM, Bartster said:

............Remember when coffee was strictly a noun ? l've never "coffeed" with anyone. Terminology is constantly changing. l assume you don't use scissors & glue to cut & paste on a computer? l also am bothered at times by the misuse of scratch built. But how literally are we to take this ? Do l need to be a chemist to make my own plastic, or a metallurgist to smelt or forge my own metal parts ? It would be nice if scratch built stayed the way it is now: fabricating your own parts from existing materials, but l fear this special word will continue to evolve just as our beloved hobby has. Sometimes you gotta take the good with the bad. Bart.

You make a good point about cut & paste on the computer, but since the term and the actions of Scratch-Building is still the same as it was decades ago, I don’t think letting it evolve into an inaccurately used term should be considered acceptable.

For example, this is a scratch-built brass hood, even though I used store bought solder.

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  On 11/19/2012 at 11:14 PM, Fat Brian said:

Wow, even the name of the thing that teaches you how to use names can't stick with it's own.

No apostrophe in its. Should be "its own." Possessive, not a contraction. Hey, you get into a grammatical showdown, you gotta be right.

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  On 11/19/2012 at 11:55 PM, sjordan2 said:

No apostrophe in its. Should be "its own." Possessive, not a contraction. Hey, you get into a grammatical showdown, you gotta be right.

You are correct, I have nothing to offer in my defense and beg for the mercy of the court.

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well I consider what I do as being scratchbuilt. The only thing not is the engines, wheels and tires. the body, chassis and all other accoutrements are totally scratchbuilt from Evergreen stock and whatever else material wise I can find to use.

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  On 11/20/2012 at 12:56 AM, Ace-Garageguy said:

Is that anything like a dangling participle?

Remember the Seinfeld episode where Kramer was enjoying dangling participles?

"I'm out there, Jerry... and I'm loving it!"

:lol:

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