sjordan2 Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 I've seen a number of objections on this forum to the use of the word, "build" in reference to a completed kit ("Great build," etc). Yet in the past two weeks I've seen it used regarding 1:1 cars: In terms of restoration, "This is going to be a tough build" (FantomWorks on Velocity) and Mecum Auctions on a terrific custom -- "That is a beautiful build." What's wrong with that word?
Greg Myers Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Nothing, as it describes just what it is, something that is or has been built. We continue to grow our lexicon through the years with new words we pick up along the way from one source or another. Gotta admit, it's better than # Hashtag.
2002p51 Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 I've seen a number of objections on this forum to the use of the word, "build" in reference to a completed kit ("Great build," etc). What's wrong with that word? Simple, it's a verb not a noun. 1build verb \ˈbild\ : to make (something) by putting together parts or materials : to develop or form (something) gradually : to increase the amount of (something) Verb: A word that is usually one of the main parts of a sentence and that expresses an action, an occurrence as in; "We will build a model car." Noun: a word that is the name of something and is typically used in a sentence as subject or object of a verb or as object of a preposition as in; That's a nice model." It's just poor grammar to use "build" as a noun. Popular usage doesn't make it correct usage.
sjordan2 Posted February 27, 2014 Author Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) Ummm, yes, popular usage does make it correct usage over time. That's why the Oxford English Dictionary adds words like "selfies" to their lexicon. We've seen plenty of nouns become verbs, such as "Let me Google that." Times and usage change, and there's plenty of nonstandard verbiage that occurs within differing industries, which is specific to what they do. Edited February 27, 2014 by sjordan2
Belugawrx Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 I always want to say "Nice work", but it can't be work if it's that much fun! So,.... Nice build just sounds better "Nice built"?? I dunno
Rob Hall Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Old news..there was already a thread here about this before. There are scenarios inside and outside of modeling where the work product is called a 'build' as a noun. Just because it wasn't that way in 1964 doesn't mean it can't be today...language evolves.
sjordan2 Posted February 27, 2014 Author Posted February 27, 2014 Old news..there was already a thread here about this before. There are scenarios inside and outside of modeling where the work product is called a 'build' as a noun. Just because it wasn't that way in 1964 doesn't mean it can't be today...language evolves. Ditto. But this keeps showing up.
ScaleDale Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Same term is used in the 1:1 drag race forums. Class Racer Builds: http://classracer.com/classforum/forumdisplay.php?f=58 Shut up and build something! I've got a 68 Mustang all over my garage floor... Dale
martinfan5 Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Old news..there was already a thread here about this before. There are scenarios inside and outside of modeling where the work product is called a 'build' as a noun. Just because it wasn't that way in 1964 doesn't mean it can't be today...language evolves. Ahh, yes, that may be true, but not in the model community, as it is a time capsule of the "golden era" if you will
sjordan2 Posted February 27, 2014 Author Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) Same term is used in the 1:1 drag race forums. Class Racer Builds: http://classracer.com/classforum/forumdisplay.php?f=58 Shut up and build something! I've got a 68 Mustang all over my garage floor... Dale If you don't like the subject, why pipe in with a nasty comment? Just shut up, go away and build your Mustang (which no one cares about) without trolling. Edited February 27, 2014 by sjordan2
Harry P. Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Hearing a model called a "build" is like nails on a chalkboard to me. Like every time I hear someone use the phrase "I could care less" or "at the end of the day..." You build a model. The finished product is a model, not a "build." But that's just me. Your opinion may vary...
Cato Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 "Shut up and build something" is the last refuge of someone who refuses to think. Spoken like the four-decade plus wordsmith you are.
johnbuzzed Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Simple, it's a verb not a noun. 1build verb \ˈbild\ : to make (something) by putting together parts or materials : to develop or form (something) gradually : to increase the amount of (something) Verb: A word that is usually one of the main parts of a sentence and that expresses an action, an occurrence as in; "We will build a model car." Noun: a word that is the name of something and is typically used in a sentence as subject or object of a verb or as object of a preposition as in; That's a nice model." It's just poor grammar to use "build" as a noun. Popular usage doesn't make it correct usage. "Run" is a verb, but it can be used as a noun, too- like, a "5K fun run". "That was a good run". "How did it run during that run?" There are many nouns that can be used as verbs and vice-versa and that changes constantly, as our language does- it has a dynamic characteristic. One has to remember that all words are "made up"- someone at some point in time, came up with phonetics to describe or refer to something. The first one might well have been "Aaaagghhh", or something like that, when Og the caveman was hungry.
Brett Barrow Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Umm, it's also a noun. build- noun 1. the physical structure, especially of a person; physique; figure: He had a strong build. 2. the manner or form of construction: The house was of modern build. #2 sounds perfectly acceptable to me - "the manner or form of construction".
2002p51 Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Hearing a model called a "build" is like nails on a chalkboard to me. Like every time I hear someone use the phrase "I could care less" or "at the end of the day..." You build a model. The finished product is a model, not a "build." But that's just me. Your opinion may vary... Same here Harry! I have over 250 completed models in my collection and there's not a single "build" in the bunch! You can try to justify it all you want by claiming that's it's used on other forums, popular TV shows, whatever, the fact remains that's poor grammar!
Harry P. Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 I know it's widely accepted to call a finished model a "build." I'm not saying it's "wrong." But for some reason it just sounds goofy to me to call a model car a "build."
2002p51 Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Umm, it's also a noun. build- noun 1. the physical structure, especially of a person; physique; figure: He had a strong build. 2. the manner or form of construction: The house was of modern build. #2 sounds perfectly acceptable to me - "the manner or form of construction". Both of those examples are very different than using the word to describe an object. They are examples of using the word to describe the state or condition of an object.
Greg Myers Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) OK, it ain't a "Build". Then what is it ? I think what we are trying to do here, is acknowledge that someone has actually built the model. Thus the model becomes a "Build". Recognizing ones efforts in assembling, constructing, building (if you will) the model. Edited February 27, 2014 by Greg Myers
Harry P. Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 If a finished model is a "build," then a finished house is a "build." Hey, that's a real nice "build" you live in... OK, it ain't a "Build". Then what is it ? A model car.
Harry P. Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Should we change the name of the magazine to "Builds" Magazine?
Danno Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Should we change the name of the magazine to "Builds" Magazine? Naw. But "Model Builds Magazine" might be okay.
Harry P. Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Naw. But "Model Builds Magazine" might be okay. Ah yes... compromise...
Brett Barrow Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 "The model was a recent build" - what part of that is grammatically unacceptable or any different from those other examples? Don't like it? Don't use it. But "build" is a noun and one would not be incorrect to use it in this manner.
johnbuzzed Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Both of those examples are very different than using the word to describe an object. They are examples of using the word to describe the state or condition of an object. One could equate the word "build" with the word "physique". It is a noun, and whether that noun is used descriptively or not doesn't mean anything. For example : "rat rod".
Greg Myers Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 and we do. Get over it. As was mentioned. We've discussed this before. Don't like it ? Don't use it.
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