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Gheese I like what you have done with the rear seat

It looks really good there with those little round details added and the wood base. Nice!

You look to be working this out very well in planning, so I am sure your top crop will go well

All the best

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Beautiful work Cato. The RR Phantom I Springfield was built just down the street from my office (the Indian Motocyle even closer) and wish I had the ability to redo this kit as that car ... but after watching your work, I think I'll hold off.

I mean that as a complement.

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Beautiful work Cato. The RR Phantom I Springfield was built just down the street from my office (the Indian Motocyle even closer) and wish I had the ability to redo this kit as that car ... but after watching your work, I think I'll hold off.

I mean that as a complement.

The Monogram Springfield is a really nice kit. The thing to remember is that the chassis and engine are mirror images of the British car. I'll be happy to supply factory diagrams.

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Beautiful work Cato. The RR Phantom I Springfield was built just down the street from my office (the Indian Motocyle even closer) and wish I had the ability to redo this kit as that car ... but after watching your work, I think I'll hold off.

I mean that as a complement.

Fascinating history in proximity to you.

A friend's dad was a famous Indian racer (may have been a 'factory rider' IIRC) in '30's and '40's.

I took it as such and thanks for that Mike.

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The theme continues...

Having committed to the carpet, 'wood' and leather, here's a place they all come together; the door panel.

As is my usual practice, I'm terrible at fabric and leather and struggled a great deal. As I said earlier, I've got to do two or three tries to get a perfect final, usable piece. I forgot how many of these I made and chucked. There are panels of different thickness which is very important when working leather. When you wrap around edges, you've got to account for that thickness when laying-out the parts. And constantly check you didn't make the door so thick it won't close. I'm bad at this.

Here are both doors, inner and outer. Note that I whacked off the rear door pillars which hold the glass track. I learned that many Sedancas didn't have them. Just as well because Pocher supplies warped ones:

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These are all the elements; wood door cap, pleated center side panel with foam surround, and piped carpet on the lower edge. Templates are made of all the correct shapes for doing again on the other door (shudder). The small holes on the white backer panel (.010") are for the window winder and latch handle which are on the way from MMC. The leather-covered parts will be drilled to match after final assembly.Each of the parts is glued to a backer of either .010", .020" styrene or .015" ply. That's why some are slightly curled from the stretching of the leather:

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The intended unit. Now don't yell, they are just placed together. So they're a little curly and there are some gaps. Trust me, these all fit perfectly together without gaps and lay flat when adhered in place. Edges tuck under other edges with no rough edges. There is no tension because they are all so thin.

I'm sure the leather pros have much simpler and neater methods but I was making this up as I went along, having no prior experience. The front door pillar is not yet covered with wood but will be.

A word here about the 'paper wood'. I whined a lot earlier about cutting corners by not using real wood veneer like the pros. But I have since come to LOVE this method. It's a huge timesaver, gives the look I was after and is easier to cut than anything else - it's photo paper. Get the Kodak brand, semi-gloss finish and when your pieces are done, shoot with acrylic clear. Plus I have a never-ending free supply by just printing the photo over and over:

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Having viewed dozens of RR model and 1:1 interiors, I struggled to choose a pattern I liked. I knew it had to have pleats to coordinate with the seats. So I just sketched out what came to mind as seen a few posts back. After I made one (and discarded) I realized something gave me the idea and there was a 'logic' to my choice. You see it here; the hood side panel and cowl louvers have the same angle as the door cut line. The pleats had to follow that angle, mimicking the louvers. A happy (for me) accident and the lines harmonize for me:

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Another happy accident about using the paper; it's very structural. Here the door cap is seen with the 5mm return to the outer edge. It was simply scored on the back and folded to give the appearance of a massive, one-piece wooden trim cap. Of course I had to measure and cut a zillion times to get the angles and shapes right. I urge any big scale builders to try printed paper when wood is called for in your project:

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Now the bad news is, I've got to do this all over again for the passenger door........... banghead.gif

LaughingIndian MCM Avid Poster

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The Monogram Springfield is a really nice kit. The thing to remember is that the chassis and engine are mirror images of the British car. I'll be happy to supply factory diagrams.

I'd be very interested in the diagrams Mr. Jordan. If you don't want to interrupt Mr. Martin's thread you can PM me if you like.

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I'd be very interested in the diagrams Mr. Jordan. If you don't want to interrupt Mr. Martin's thread you can PM me if you like.

Rolls Royce anything welcomed here... :)

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I'd be very interested in the diagrams Mr. Jordan. If you don't want to interrupt Mr. Martin's thread you can PM me if you like.

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Thank you once again Skip. I could not find a phantom I or "Springfield" but I did see the Monogram 1931 Phaeton. I also just saw bbowser's 1931 Rolls Royce thread and as you pointed out is a LHD and the engine looks like the overhead diagrams you sent above. Am I correct in assuming this is a Springfield Phantom I? And is the Henley Roadster a Phantom I LHD?

I'm asking because I thought the Phantom II began production in 1931 while the Springfield Phantom I did continue for a short time after and then Rolls Royce ceased production in the US.

Thanks for all the help.

And another apology for interrupting your awesome build thread Cato.

Cato MCM Ohana

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Thanks for all the help.

And another apology for interrupting your awesome build thread Cato.

P II production; Aug 1929 to Oct 1935. courtesy Raymond Gentile.

For your user fee Mike, you must purchase a Pocher Rolls (either of the 3 types) and start your project of converting one to a Springfield.

As a WIP right here...

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P II production; Aug 1929 to Oct 1935. courtesy Raymond Gentile.

For your user fee Mike, you must purchase a Pocher Rolls (either of the 3 types) and start your project of converting one to a Springfield.

As a WIP right here...

I knew there'd be a price for all this generosity :-)

I better start doing some more research ...

sjordan2 MCM Ohana

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Thank you sir. I'm learning a lot. I see it was called a "Springfield" but was manufactured in Derby, England ...what a beautiful car.

I'll be buying the 1/24 model ...

I don't know if you can really say the car was totally manufactured in England. According to the RM copy in the link I provided, the Americanized LHD chassis and engine were sent to Springfield (without tires) for completion with Brewster coachwork and everything else.

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I don't know if you can really say the car was totally manufactured in England. According to the RM copy in the link I provided, the Americanized LHD chassis and engine were sent to Springfield (without tires) for completion with Brewster coachwork and everything else.

Yes I understand, but the Springfield Phantom I works actually designed some features that were later brought in to the Phantom IIs — See the third paragrah here:

http://www.coachbuild.com/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=50&g2_itemId=48982

So i was dreaming of building the ultimate all-American Springfield Phantom I from 1929:

http://www.coachbuild.com/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=50&g2_itemId=49147

Cato MCM Ohana

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'Scuse me...comin' through!

Second one done...

Literally took half the time. Nothing glued yet awaiting paint on the jambs (soon). Front window channel not yet covered while I ponder how much to cut the windscreen:

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sjordan2 MCM Ohana

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Cato, if I ever get to building anything Pocher or Rolls Royce this thread will be the first reference I go to.

Absolutely awesome!

Definitely.

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