Greg Myers Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 http://deadspin.com/reports-tony-stewart-ran-over-opposing-driver-during-1618893708 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danno Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 What are your thoughts on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus M. Jones Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 What are your thoughts on this? Sad but a pure accident unlike what a lot of people seem to think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Demon Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 First off .....this is a modeling forum.... not a place to post links to those sickening videos of Kevin getting run over! I was at that race last night, and know what I heard and seen. Show a little respect for him, his family, and friends for Christ sake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Myers Posted August 10, 2014 Author Share Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) Right or wrong, I used to have this discussion with my High School students, " A car pulls out in front of a truck, who do you think wins?, A truck pulls onto the tracks in front of a speeding train, who wins? " In this case a brave young man climbs out of his race car in his black driving suit at a dirt track in the night to confront another driver and steps onto the raceway in front of oncoming cars. He was lucky he didn't get hit by the blue car. Who wins? Sadly no one. By the way, the discussion with my students was brought on by another one of my students that stepped out in front of several cars on the road in front of the school. He didn't win either. Edited August 10, 2014 by Greg Myers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Hmm ... seems to me that after an accident on track, unless your car is on fire you STAY IN THE CAR! Nothing could have happened had Ward done that one thing. Beyond that, smarter people than me will determine what actually transpired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddyfink Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 This should be moved to General Discussion area, not really much about model building in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danno Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 So it's the victim's fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 So it's the victim's fault? Sometimes it is. Like I said, it's up to smarter folks than me to figure that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southpier Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 adrenaline; toxic at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Handley Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 So it's the victim's fault? Well, I've had more scares than I want from people walking into the street I'm driving down..........no where near any cross walks.........at night..........in dark clothing. Luckily, they almost always are light skinned enough that my headlights can reflect off their skin so I can at least catch that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quick GMC Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 This is very tragic. I wasn't there, I don't know exactly what went down, but what the hell was he doing running out on the track during a race? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Myers Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 After talking to my wife about this I came to the realization this incident reflects what goes on on our roads on a daily basis, "Road Rage" with no thought to the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southpier Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I also think age plays into it. there's a reason 18 year olds are drafted: they're invincible. bad situation all 'round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 As said previously... if the kid had stayed in his car this would never have happened. Getting out of your car, walking onto a track where a race is taking place and there are race cars flying by, in order to "confront" Tony Stewart or whatever it is he intended to do, was major league stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusher Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) As said previously... if the kid had stayed in his car this would never have happened. Getting out of your car, walking onto a track where a race is taking place and there are race cars flying by, in order to "confront" Tony Stewart or whatever it is he intended to do, was major league stupid. I agree with Harry on this and the video does not look good for Tony. Edited August 11, 2014 by slusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quick GMC Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I agree with Harry on this and the video does not look good for Tony. How does it not look good for Tony? I know he is known for being a hot head, but I don't see anything in the video that indicates it was intentional, but I wasn't there. It's a terrible tragedy, but the other driver should have never left the car, let alone walk across a track with race cars on it. That's the only known fact at this point. Everyone wants to immediately pin the blame on Tony because of his past temperament, but just because he's a hot head sometimes, doesn't mean he did this on purpose. I think we should wait for the facts to come out and the report to be completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychographic Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 How does it not look good for Tony? I know he is known for being a hot head, but I don't see anything in the video that indicates it was intentional, but I wasn't there. It's a terrible tragedy, but the other driver should have never left the car, let alone walk across a track with race cars on it. That's the only known fact at this point. Everyone wants to immediately pin the blame on Tony because of his past temperament, but just because he's a hot head sometimes, doesn't mean he did this on purpose. I think we should wait for the facts to come out and the report to be completed. What doesn't look good for TS is the sudden acceleration when he gets to the driver on the track. He is approaching a car up against the fence under caution, there is no need for him to be accelerating at that spot on the track. He didn't need to clear the motor or the tires at this point, so hitting the gas at this point made no sense and is very suspicious looking.. As for everyone blaming KW for being out of the car on the track, even though I think it's not a good idea it happens all the time, Tony has done it himself. As I've said before I don't think Tony had any intention of hurting this kid, I do think he was showing his displeasure at Kevin for "calling him out" and this is where everything went wrong. Had there been no acceleration and Tony hit Kevin at an idle, chances are he would be alive today. Sore as heck, but alive. I do hope something good comes from this and tracks will find an appropriate penalty to prevent it from happening again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusher Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 How does it not look good for Tony? I know he is known for being a hot head, but I don't see anything in the video that indicates it was intentional, but I wasn't there. It's a terrible tragedy, but the other driver should have never left the car, let alone walk across a track with race cars on it. That's the only known fact at this point. Everyone wants to immediately pin the blame on Tony because of his past temperament, but just because he's a hot head sometimes, doesn't mean he did this on purpose. I think we should wait for the facts to come out and the report to be completed. I did not say it was intentional it looks like the car was going a little fast.. I think the young man could have pointed and been angry by his car or stayed in his car. I am by no means a big race fan I watch it sometimes. I have asked Jonathan thing about the rules and thing posted about nascar. We have one young man gone and another man has to live with this the rest of his life. I think these guys care about each other after the anger is over but nobody wins a fight or an argument in the heat of anger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 As I've said before I don't think Tony had any intention of hurting this kid, I do think he was showing his displeasure at Kevin for "calling him out" and this is where everything went wrong. I think that's exactly right. I think Stewart was intending to drive close past the kid to give him the message that "Hey, I'm Tony Freaking Stewart and you're just some punk kid and you aren't going to show me up".... but the car got away from Stewart. Both drivers are guilty of being hotheads. What Stewart did in the first place to force the other guy into the wall, as far as I understand, is a perfectly acceptable racing move, and the kid had no reason to jump out of his car and make a scene. And Stewart, being a veteran driver, should have known better than to try and send the kid a "message" by zooming past him that closely. Both guys overreacted, but I don't believe that Stewart deliberately tried to hit the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Demon Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I was at this race and saw the whole thing... Including the aftermath. What the news and videos don't show the public is that after it all happened.... Tony didn't even walk back to the scene to see if Kevin was ok. He went straight to the pits and into his Hauler. What kind of person is he? Yes the whole thing could have been avoided.... But sadly it ended with a tragedy... It's going to be a long road of healing for his family and friends.... RIP Kevin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusher Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 There's no rewind in life. It happens and it's over. So true.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slusher Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I was at this race and saw the whole thing... Including the aftermath. What the news and videos don't show the public is that after it all happened.... Tony didn't even walk back to the scene to see if Kevin was ok. He went straight to the pits and into his Hauler. What kind of person is he? Yes the whole thing could have been avoided.... But sadly it ended with a tragedy... It's going to be a long road of healing for his family and friends.... RIP Kevin. Bill, I have no idea how everyone felt at the track but if Tony would have walked up to the scene would there have been a fight???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunajammer Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 .... Tony didn't even walk back to the scene to see if Kevin was ok. He went straight to the pits and into his Hauler. What kind of person is he? But that's part of racing too. Unless both cars are wrecked at the same spot where it's convenient to check on each other, I've never seen a driver circle the track, return to the wreck and park his car amidst the throng of rescue vehicles, as if there's anything he can do but get in the way. Expressions of care between drivers comes later when it can be done appropriately. Frankly, had TS stopped I would have thought it's just a disingenuous public display of concern when there's nothing he can do but be seen by the crowd "caring." I feel very bad for you Bill and anyone else there who had to see it. I saw a guy get hit at our local track and it was sickening. I completely sympathize with your concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Handley Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I was at this race and saw the whole thing... Including the aftermath. What the news and videos don't show the public is that after it all happened.... Tony didn't even walk back to the scene to see if Kevin was ok. He went straight to the pits and into his Hauler. What kind of person is he? Yes the whole thing could have been avoided.... But sadly it ended with a tragedy... It's going to be a long road of healing for his family and friends.... RIP Kevin. Well, considering he was at a track he doesn't race at on a regular basis, not knowing the locals all that well, and just killed somebody who appears to be a young, fairly well known local driver in a "racing incident" (which looked a lot like when somebody walks infront of a train and gets hit at a train station, btw), I'd probably want to lock my car and driver up until the police got there if I were the crew chief incase there were any thoughts of physical retaliation. Some else is that if you kill somebody or worse, multiple people in that manner (going back to the train thing), that takes a mental toll on the people operating the equipment, it's kind of a surprise you don't see more railroad engineers with alcohol problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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