vintageiron Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 One of my favorite cars is the 67 GTO. I wanted to build a 67 GTO model kit and found some on ebay for pretty cheap. After I got the kits I opened one to take a look at the parts. It comes with some pretty cool optional parts for customization like a blower, headers, blower intake, wheels, and a hood with scoop. Honestly I'd just use the original hood and cut it out for the blower. It seems that this kit has some rather odd things about it too. It come with a chromed complete front bumper with grill, yet there are gill pieces on the grey molded tree as well which I thought was odd myself. I noticed that this car has only a molded gas pedal in the floor section and a single large brake pedal attached to the dash piece. An automatic? What, no floor shift?? That just doesn't seem right... Another thing that really bugs me is the under hood detail, or lack of. There is this really ugly structure with two holes in it. I'm hoping things like this will be hidden after it's complete... Now here's where it gets really weird... On the parts tree there were parts that it doesn't show in the instructions like; an oil pan like object with a large circle hole in it. (Wonder if it's the Ram Air seal that fits around the air cleaner?) There is a part that looks like a hood tach. A wing that doesn't seem to fit the rear deck well. And a front grill from a 69 Trans Am or 70 GTO. What the heck?? Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions to share on this kit? Any finished pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george 53 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Vint, this is the OOOLLLLDDDDD MPC kit that's been hacked to death! If you look closely at the rear quarters, just behind the doors, you'll see waves in it. This is where they were modded YEARS ago to make the "Mr.Unswitchable" funny car in the late 60's. it was then re done as a stock GTO again and they didn't do a very good job RE modding the molds. Yes that's the Ram Air bucket with the hole in it for the carb, it fits LOUSY. The other front end on the tree IS for the 70 GTO. The seats in it aren't right either. Basically that kit is a mess! BUT it IS the only one of a 67 GTO avaliable. You CAN make a nice kit with what's IN the box, but it WILL take some research AND effort. Good Luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eshaver Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Several thousand dollas later we find the model builder still going to Hershey , and the Kruse auctiuons in search of decent G T O Parts ! Ed Shaver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisher61 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I just finished a MPC '67 GTO, It can be made to look presentable, but it will take a lot of work. The holes for the axles both front and back are not positioned at all in the right locations, I filled them and re-drilled in the right location as compared to photos of a 1:1. The engine looks to be under-scale, I just built it out of the box with no other detailing. The door lines need to be scribed deeper as they would probably be lost under a couple coats of paint. The best thing you could do is mock everything up before painting to get it the way you want. At any rate I had a lot of fun restoring this worn out and compromised old tool kit back to it's former glory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Irwin Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 The correct seats are available in resin, and the Revell 1966 GTO guts fit well. Just don't use the tri-power, 66 was the last year for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Most Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 The pedal/shifter setup, and transmission disagreeing with one another are pretty common on the old AMT and MPC kits. In fact- I think even the new AMT Challenger has a clutch pedal, despite the fact there's an automatic tranny molded into the chassis! And that screw post won't be hidden- you're better off just cutting it out and either scratching a new radiator core support or raiding one from another kit. (I think the most recent reissue of this kit included a second core support with a molded-in radiator.) Some issues of this kit even have a '70 GTO nose in them for no explicable reason. Yeah, this kit's a bit crude, but it can be built into quite a presentable model. And it's quite a bit better than the MPC '72 GTO (shudder)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageiron Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 Thanks to people like 'plumber' I think I want to build the AMT 67 GTO and try to fix it up a little. I have 2 AMT '67s and one I will do stock as nice as I can make out of the kit. And the second I want to do a custom pro street rod sort of thing with a blower and maybe flames painted. The blower in the kit on not sure about... Also, don't care for the custom wheels and hood too much. Some Craigers would look sweet! If only... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eshaver Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Mark , I was selling Pontiacs new that year ! My how time flies ......... your take on the disaterous Re- hash of what was at one time a halfway decent Promo kit was spot - On ! I too wish the people at A M T or whatever they wish to be refered to as these days would realise that just dumping out a trash job reflects a lack of concern for their company . This in turn shows potental customers that we don't even care about a return customer as well ! No wonder Revell is getting all of A M T's former customers ! Ed Shaver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Most Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 I had high hopes for AMT/MPC/PL with this new arrangement, but as more time passes, I'm seeing less & less to get enthused about. I feel your pain, Mark! Do I ever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageiron Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 So here's what I'm thinking; I think I'll look for a Revell 66 GTO and use the AMT 67 body on the 66's chassis. Hopefully the 66 comes with parts that'll fix the engine compartment if I cut the ugly radiator support off the 67. Does anyone know if the 66 comes with the fan shroud? I might be able to use the 67's interior if it's any different between 66 and 67. If not I'll use the 66 interior and if they are different then I'll use the 67 with the resin seats. I'm hoping it will turn out pretty nice that way. For the 2nd AMT kit I have; I want to just build the kit out of the box mostly using the custom parts. I won't use the tear drop hood or wheels though... I was thinking of maybe looking for a resin blower and blower scoop and just cutting the hood out. Then some resin Craigers and top it off with a flame paint job. Or build a beater/project car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan White Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Haha, I have that GTO slot car! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageiron Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 Haha, I have that GTO slot car! lol right on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george 53 Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Brent, THAT'S the way to go bro! just use the chassis from the 66,BUT you'll have to remove the engine compartment from the 66 and install it into the 67. The interior from the 66 WILL fit into the 67,and vise/versa. This is probably the best route to go. It'll make for a nice 67, BUT you WILL hafta get the PROPER 67 seats from the resin caster aftermarket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Most Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I would think it would be way easier to just use a few select parts from the AMT kit and turn the Revell kit into a '67. The AMT body on the Revell chassis can work, but I think just adapting the Revell into a '67 would be a lot less frustration! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george 53 Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Ya do gotta point there Chuck. If you can adapt the rear of the 67 to the 66 it would be a simple graft on. Check it out Brent, it MIGHT be just that simple! You'd STILL need the proper seats to make it into a 67, but body wise, the only BIG difference IS the rear end treatment. I'm pretty sure the 67 had chrome on the rockers too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I just finished a MPC '67 GTO, It can be made to look presentable, but it will take a lot of work. The holes for the axles both front and back are not positioned at all in the right locations, I filled them and re-drilled in the right location as compared to photos of a 1:1. The engine looks to be under-scale, I just built it out of the box with no other detailing. The door lines need to be scribed deeper as they would probably be lost under a couple coats of paint. The best thing you could do is mock everything up before painting to get it the way you want. At any rate I had a lot of fun restoring this worn out and compromised old tool kit back to it's former glory! Hey my friend, you did a terrific job on this one, the AMT kit is a bit of an antique so you have to do miracles to make it look good. Good luck on your build of this kit vintageiron, with a little patience it can turn out like Williams' kit did!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Irwin Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Look those body's over close, there's more differences then you'd think! The ends of the rear quarter panels above the tailamps, both bumpers, the grilles and grille mounting panel (surrounds the 66 grilles, only goes over and drops between the 67) rocker moldings and GTO emblem placement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george 53 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Yeah THAT'S what I said. The ONLY differences ARE the last 12 inches of BOTH cars. EVERYTHING ELSE on the body is the same. Other than trim changes, ALL the body panels(OTHER THAN THAT LAST 12 INCHES) are the same. The front fenders,doors, hood, etc. are the same. I was there. I KNOW.If you wanna get technical the rear quarter panels, taillamp panel,and rear bumper are the only major differences. If someone can see any other differences in 25th scale, they got DAM good eyes. I was just bein literal in my reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageiron Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 Good points, but the '67 has more pronounced 'eye lids' above the headlights and if I didn't just use the '67's body things like these would really bother me. It's like using the 66 Chevelles seats in a 67 Chevelle. They are similar, but not the same. I think I could do the Revell with the AMT body and resin parts and pull it off ok. Might be a bigger project then just doing a kit, but it also sounds like fun. I just wish they would come out with a better '67 GTO kit... *hint to any Revell employees* Heck, if it comes out even half as good as plumber's '67 I'd be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george 53 Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 THERE ya go Brent! heck, it's ONLY PLASTIC! If it ain't right, just MAKE it right! THAT'S what modeling is all about! You GO for it Bro!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie8575 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Who's making the resin seats for this? I've toyed with building one of mine (I think I have two) as a LeMans with the OHC-6 from the Firebird, just for something different. Anyone tried putting that engine in the Revell chassis? I'm also wondering if the Rally II wheels and AMT tires will fit the Revell backs, as I know that's been a problem in the past. Or...are there Rally IIs in the Revell line or resin that'll fit? Charlie Larkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageiron Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 Who's making the resin seats for this? I've toyed with building one of mine (I think I have two) as a LeMans with the OHC-6 from the Firebird, just for something different. Anyone tried putting that engine in the Revell chassis? I'm also wondering if the Rally II wheels and AMT tires will fit the Revell backs, as I know that's been a problem in the past. Or...are there Rally IIs in the Revell line or resin that'll fit? Charlie Larkin Charlie and anyone else looking for the seats; they can be found here: http://www.timemachineresin.bravehost.com/parts.html -thanks Craig Irwin for sending the link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageiron Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 Ok now I've become either crazy or paranoid... Since this kit was such a 'fantastic' tooling, I am wondering about all my other kits I have collected. Does anyone know if there are any inaccuracies like AMT's 67 GTO with these kits: AMT/MPC '67 GTO (2 kits) '67 Chevelle SS396 '68 Road Runner '68 Road Runner Pro Street '69 GTX hardtop (2 kits) '69 GTX Pro Street (2 kits) '69 Charger 500 '70 Coronet Super Bee '70 Super Bee Pro Street '70 Chevelle SS454 Revell/Monogram '66 GTO '66 El Camino '66 Chevelle Wagon '67 Corvette 427 Roadster '67 Chevelle SS396 '67 Chevelle Pro Street '68 GTO Street Machine '69 GTO Judge (1 molded in grey, 2 in orange. 3 kits) '69 Charger Daytona '69 Super Bee 2 'n 1 '70 Super Bird '70 Charger (Fast and the Furious) '70 Chevelle 3 'n 1 '70 Buick GSX 455 '71 Hemi Cuda Convertible I think that's everything I own. Also, is there a 70 GTO kit? (well there must be one by AMT since my 67 came with a 70 bumper...) And how good is this kit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Most Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I think that's everything I own. Also, is there a 70 GTO kit? (well there must be one by AMT since my 67 came with a 70 bumper...) And how good is this kit? I have seen the '70 GTO promo (I passed one up last weekend), and it looks pretty decent, but of course- no engine. I've never seen the '70 Goat kit, but it was probably on about equal footing with the '67 or '72 kits, since it came out about the same period. You know- crude chassis plate, molded-in, plated headlamps, metal axles, and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageiron Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 I just saw a Reliable Resin 1970 GTO Judge kit on ebay. Unfortunately I don't know anything about Reliable Resin. It looks like a pretty decent kit. However they suggest using the re-issue MPC 1972 GTO as a donor kit. How do I know what the re-issue is? Anyone know much about Reliable Resin or their 70 GTO kit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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