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Gary, another thanks for the straight side photo. I made a drawing of it in CorelDraw, and maybe it will be of use for the kit review. It's not quite finished yet though. I overlayed it on the side view of the Nunu/Platz 935K3 model that I posted earlier, but it's no use, that photo has lots of perspective. Rob

Ron, thanks again for your photos! The door problem looks bad.. worse than I thought.. I had spotted it too, but did not try to correct in my 'modified' side view. It (sort of) confirms the feeling that they've been messing with the center section of the car to make the front and rear match in height. I've thought of another way to answer the question of the greenhouse height. If you have calipers, and if you don't mind, could you measure the following dimensions. I will do the same on my Esci 934, Tamiya 934, Tamiya 935-76 and Tamiya 935-78 kits. To my uncalibrated eye, these last four have a similar greenhouse, that looks good to my eye (911-ish) , but maybe the numbers will tell a different story. Rob

Ron, many thanks for your kit photos! The greenhouses look reasonable in these views. To be sure, we need telelens photos straight from the side. I've made those kind of photos but it isn't easy. I see something new in your photos: the running board of the K3 is much wider than that of the K2. I will have to start searching for K3 width and track numbers. You're absolutely right that 935 are notoriously difficult because the teams did so many modifications. However the #41 Le Mans winner was the third-built K3, fresh from Kremer in its first race. Also, Kremer built their K3s from factory-supplied bare chassis, and did not lower them, like for example the 935-78. Therefore the greenhouse should be close to the street version. That's my main reference point, together with the wheelbase figure. I'll probably buy the kit too and try to analyze it some more. Rob

Gary, many thanks for your search! I tried to overlay it on the 'modified' image that I posted earlier, but it doesn't work . The kit was photographed with much more perspective, i.e. from a smaller (relative) distance. You can see it most clearly on the wing, the shift of the two endplates. Rob

Ron, I am also eagerly awaiting this kit! However, someone pointed out that the model looked awkward. I looked into it, and came up with the following quick & dirty shape analysis. I *really* hope that the photo is of a prototype model, not the production kit. Can you compare your model to the photos below and comment? Thanks in advance! Rob

Leslie, thanks for the information. I think I found the set at the manufacturer's website: https://www.scaleproduction.de/product_info.php?info=p2259_17--ronal-racing-dtm.html I did not know that they produced such a wide range of wheels, interesting! Rob

Can you tell us more about these wheels, like the brand and catalog number? The reason I'm asking is because I've been chasing after Ronal wheels for years, and maybe these are the answer? Thanks in advance! Rob

Here are my experiences: https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/ultrasonic.htm Rob

I've done similar repairs - it's not too difficult. Pre-bend the plastic card if necessary, and finish with a bit of filler. The photos below will give you an idea, even if they're 20+ years old. Rob

Hi Peteski! Please let me know what's outdated. I recently started to use a strike-through font instead of totally deleting these links, for the sake of history etc. Rob

Since your original question wasn't answered, here's a long list of custom decal printers, bit Alps and non-Alps: https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/decals.htm#custom Rob de Bie

Here's a drawing of what I described in words regarding the sill shape. Black is original, yellow the first widening, and red the final shape. But usually the sills were one step behind with the widening of the rear bodywork. Rob de Bie

Thanks for the kind words. There's not much more to report on that build. Maybe it's useful to tell that I decided to build it completely different compared to the instructions. I will build it in three big components: the whole body including sills, the engine bay with rear suspension, and the cokpit plus front suspension. In the photos below you can see the sills cut off from the floor panel. I used parts from a second kit to make straight sills. All in all it's a bit of a puzzle, and the project is of the stop-and-go kind that you're all familiar with ? But it's good fun to do this old but detailed kit justice. Rob

Ah yes, of course, Fisher makes nice 917s too. I would appreciate if you could measure the width over the front and rear fenders, plus the windscreen of course. Rob

Fujimi has a habit of doing 'optical corrections' to their models, or they do really bad research. Tamiya also does 'optical corrections', there's the story of ~2 mm being added to the master of their 1/12 Porsche 935. I would rather have a dimensionally correct model. Rob

Of course MFH is the best choice for a 917, but they are very expensive and I would even call them intimidating ? The Heller kit is a bit of a bitch to build. Warped parts were already reported, and here's what mine looked like on the runners. I decided to glue it solidly to the cockpit section. As shown earlier, I narrowed the rear bodywork and added 'straight' sills. I also added 1 mm between the sills and the upper body, to increase the height a bit. I'm now working on the front side. I'm even trying to use the frame parts. I added the bulkhead part in white. One last warning is that the engine is either too tall, or needs to drop down about a millimeter, otherwise the rear body will not fit. The likely cause for the problem is the 'cross' in the bottom side of the frame, something that does not exist on the real car. Rob

Many thanks! I see a huge size difference, and to me it disfigures the shape to such a degree that I don't want to build the Fujimi model. I want to add an observation. In my experience most modelers focus on the details, and don't have an eye for the overall shape. I've tested this theory many times, and roughly there's a 80:20 split between detail-viewers and shape-viewers. Personally I'm still learning to view shapes, and often I can see that something is wrong, but not what's wrong. But I'm slowly developing techniques to help with the shape analysis. One very relevant example is the Profil 24 1969 Porsche 917. I saw something was wrong with the rear side, and after a lot of analysis I found out that the rear wheel opening was 4 mm too far forward. Plus the tail needed to be rotated down. Below you can see a before and after. Whenever I see this model built up without modifications, it looks like it was rear-ended, it really looks weird. Rob

I can add ~40.3 mm for the MFH 1970 917 Langheck, making 967 mm in real life. Rob

I checked, and the comparison photos in both threads have disappeared. I did not save them either ? Rob

The 917 kit web page is my work, and I just found out about this thread. I'm going to start here, the basic dimensions. It's been a while since I studied the subject in-depth, so maybe my memory is a bit rusty. I've gathered a lot of numbers for the length, width and height, and there are quite a few conflicting numbers. Here's my best understanding: the 1969 model had 12" wide rear wheels, and the rear body was 1880 mm wide the 1970 model had mostly 15" wide rear wheels, and the rear body was 1980 mm wide some 1970 and 1971 models had 17" wide rear wheels, and the rear body was 2080 mm wide The 1975 mm number quoted above fits the size for a 917 with 15 inch rear wheels IMO. If you look at period photos, you can nicely see the step-by-step widening of the rear bodywork by looking at the door sills (I like to call them sponsons). They started out as straight parts all the way to the rear wheel opening. Then the wider bodywork for 15" wheels was put on, that created a mismatch with the still straight sills - the engine cover had an overhang. This is the configuration that I'm building, see photo below. New sills were made, with a curvature at the rear, so they would match again. But by then the again-wider bodywork for 17" rear wheels was introduced, and again there was a mismatch. New sills were made again to match that. The front half of the car stayed basically the same, except for the long tail models. The Heller model conforms to most dimensions I found and analysed. It clearly has the rear body for the 17" wheels, the widest one. I wanted a 15" rear wheel car, so I took out 2 mm on each side. In the photo below I had only done one side. The modification is not very noticable, I will admit ? Rob

AFAIK you're in the Netherlands. If that's correct, Toyman (Gerrit is his first name) has it for 32 euros: http://www.toyman.nl/index.html And I see Tom's Modelauto's has it too (pre-order) for 32 euros too: https://www.toms.nl/ Rob PS: Gerrit will also search / import kits that you ask for, so maybe he can help you with other kits on your list.

Please let us know the results! I will demonstrate the technique at the next club meeting - I hope it works as well there as at home :-) Rob

Thanks! I just added it to the page. Rob

Do you mind a question about the '49 thru '51 Fords ? I recently added the following section to my webpage (https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/49ford.htm) and it could do with a critical review. It's not critical for the webpage but I prefer to present correct information Rob - - - - - The 1949 Ford was Ford's first all-new car after World War II. It was built in the following body styles: 2-door sedan aka 'Tudor Sedan' 4-door sedan aka 'Fordor Sedan' 2-door coupe aka 'Club Coupe' with front and rear bench seats 2-door coupe aka 'Business Coupe' with just a front bench seat, no rear seats 2-door hardtop 2-door convertible 2-door station wagon These versions could be ordered with the less-expensive 'Standard' or more expensive 'Custom' trim levels, making for example a 'Custom Club Coupe'. This is what the standard version in this AMT kit represents. The first boxing is also clear about this (see below).

I liked that 50 Ford too, because it's one of the models that I'm building very slowly (https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/49ford.htm). It had more roomleg in the rear than I expected. Gas is around 7$ per gallon right now. It's not so much that price but the engine's efficiency I guess. Many American cars in the Netherlands were run on very cheap LPG (40% of the cost of gas) but I think that new laws made that impossible. The Stutz is pretty ugly indeed. But still I appreciate that the owner maintains it, and shows it. Rob