Harry P.

Sounds to me like some of you guys still wish we had a big old hand crank sticking out the front end...

Go ahead Andy... make my day.

Ok, possible stupid question alert... but is that mesh thingy under the hood the siren? (asked by a completely non-law enforcement civilian)...

Ya know what? I like that idea!

I would assume these two items (the "semi-assembled" version and the kit) were conceived and engineered as part of the same process, but I find it odd that there are significant differences between the two. Actually I find it odd that the "semi assembled" version is being marketed at all, but whatever. I'm sure they had their reasons. Interesting. Thanks, Chuck.

Doug... I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Why the license plate? Isn't this a drag car? Obviously not street driven or street legal... Just wonderin'...

Right, I understand that it's mostly assembled. But is it a "semi-assembled" version of the kit? Or a completely different item?

From all the references I found, the term "Silver Streak" was a marketing catch-phrase that referred to the car's engine, it was not the car's model name. There is absolutely no mention of a "Silver Streak" Pontiac in the '48 brochure. If Pontiac sold a "Silver Streak" model in 1948, don't you think it would have been included in the sales brochure? The brochure shows Fleetleaders, Torpedos, and Streamliners. No Silver Streaks. People may refer to the cars as "Silver Streaks" because of the scripts on the fenders, but those are like "Hemi" decals on a muscle car-era Road Runner or 'cuda. They refer to the engine, they are not the car's model name.

Is this the same thing as the model we're talking about here? http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/23205enzo/index.htm

So the Pontiac brochure is lying?

There's no mention of "Silver Streak" anywhere in the 1948 sales brochure.

Crib away!

Like they say... common sense isn't very common...

I think you need to check your preferences...

Yeah, I know. But I can try, right?

Man, that's scary.

I'm not cheering anyone on. I'm telling you the simple facts. Posting photos of your work on a public forum means that work is open to comments. And if a person can't take criticism, that person should not post their work. Period. That whole "everyone gets a prize just for showing up" kind of PC thinking is nonsense. To say that everyone here isn't allowed any kind of critical remark or critique just to shield a handful of overly-sensitive types doesn't make any sense. What makes sense is, if a person is that overly-sensitive type, maybe they should think about whether they want to post their work. It's just simple common sense, Johnny.

Where are getting that "adjusted for inflation" number? Seems a little exaggerated to me. Is it accurate?

Yeah, Johnny.... it is that simple. You have no control over what others will say. Some will offer constructive criticism. Some will give you a pat on the back. And yes, some will be rude or sarcastic or whatever. Some people are like that, and you can't change them. Like I said, if you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. If anyone starts to get personal, those comments will be removed. Comments and critiques of the model will stay. And if a person just can't accept criticism, that's fine. Just don't post your work.

You guys are waaaaaaaaaaaaay overthinking this. It's a public forum. The "public" (the members) have the right to comment on a model posted "Under Glass" (as long as they are within the forum rules, as in no personal attacks, no profanity, etc.) If you post pictures of your work for the world to see, you are in fact putting the model up for comments, negative and positive. If only positive comments and pats on the back are allowed, what's the point? We're all here to learn from each other and hopefully become better modelers. Disallowing critiques makes the forum useless. Simplest posting rule ever: If you can't take criticism of your work, DO NOT post it.

Yep, that sums it up exactly. The kit has no inherent value... at least not yet (maybe in the future when it's out of production and hard to find, it'll have a certain "collector value")... it's not made of gold or silver or some material that has a value in and of itself. It's just (mostly) plastic, so any "value" the kit has is a function of how bad the buyer wants it. In my opinion, $600 is too high an asking price. But that's just me. There are probably people out there who think that the kit is a bargain at $600. Everyone has to make their own "value judgement." And one final comment on Pochers and their "value:" At the time they were being produced, Pocher kits were unique. There was no other kit on the market that could compare with the sheer size, complexity and detail of a Pocher (especially the "classic" kits, less so for the "modern" kit-Porsches and Ferraris). Yes, they were hard to build, some of the parts fit was less than spectacular... but the challenge of building a Pocher was pretty much a unique experience in the model car world. There just wasn't anything out there quite like it. And the prices they retailed for gave a pretty good bang for the buck, IMO. Of course, Pocher prices these days are inflated due to the fact that they aren't produced anymore, there are only a fixed number of them still out there, and unbuilt, complete kits are getting harder and harder to find. So comparing current Pocher prices (which are fluid and not set by the manufacturer) with this Enzo kit's price doesn't work. Only when the Enzo is long out of production and available only from resellers, like Pochers currently are, will we ultimately see how the Enzo stacks up as far as "value" goes.

Here is the 1948 Pontiac brochure. http://www.oldcarbro...e/dirindex.html

This ID Quiz set the record for most wrong answers and most right answers! Most wrong answers because almost everyone said this car is a 1948 Pontiac Silver Streak. But once I told you you were wrong, most of you got it right on the second, or third, or even fourth guess! There was no such car as a 1948 Pontiac Silver Streak. In 1948, Pontiacs were available in three model lines: the entry-level "FLeetleader" series, the mid-range "Torpedo" series, and the high-end "Streamliner" series. The "Silver Streak" script on the fender was a reference to the car's engine, it was not the car's model name. The car in the picture is a 1948 Pontiac Torpedo. Who got it right (most after several tries!): Haubenschild Badluck 13 Nitro Neil mr moto mr chips my66s55 thatz4u MikeMc wisdonm Thom Foxer Chris R big photo Draggon maltsr carsntrucks4u mikemodeler Drgon63 george 53 Johnny Corvair Jim trogdor customsrus mr obsessive Junkman

When was that? And were the kits complete and unstarted? Or old build-ups? Typical Pocher prices for complete, unbuilt kits these days range from roughly $400-500 on the low end (the 1907 Fiat) to near $3,000 for the Bugattis. But you can't compare prices between rare kits that haven't been manufactured in decades with a brand-new, currently available kit... it's apples and oranges. You have to judge the "value" of the Enzo on it's own merits, regardless of what Pochers go for. I agree $600 MSRP is pushing it, but like I said, if the subject interested me I'd definitely spring for $300 or so.