Harry P.

And where does the motorcycle kit come in???

True, but we do have photos. Did you really think that when Moebius posted photos of their Hudson kit that there would be no responses? I mean, this kit is the "Holy Grail" for a whole lot of people! You bet there's going to be interest in this topic! I'm sure aftermarket decal sheets will be coming...

So is Moebius getting around licensing issues by having Model King do the NASCAR version? And if that's the case... how does Model King get away with it?

Sorry, buddy... I'm just a simple layman. I'm sure anything you explained to me would just go right over my head...

Pardon me for interrupting the fireworks, but I have an actual question related to the model. There are several of these Hudson threads flying around, and they're BIG... and I really don't want to go and search through them all, so I'll just ask (sorry if this has already been covered), but will the kit include any racing (stock car) decals?

I assume you mean me... I don't think it was necessary for me to do any research or ask any questions before saying that the hood support props are a bit heavy. But otherwise, yeah, ya got me, Art. I'm not a "professional," I've never participated in the design or production of a model kit, I'm not an industry insider, I've never run a hobby shop... and I've never driven a Hudson. I'm about as lay a layperson as they come... But I do have two functioning eyeballs, a functioning brain, the capacity for thought, logic and reason, and a membership here on this forum. That gives me all I need to post my comments, opinions and observations. I don't see any reason why I should be required to keep quiet. I'm not a member of this forum to try to increase my "credibility" with readers; I'm here for the same reasons as everyone else, and if my comments don't meet your professional standards, well, what can I do? I'm just a simple layperson. Gee Art... if only "professionals" and "insiders," people who have had direct involvement in the design and manufacturing of a model kit or only those who meet your standards are allowed to have opinions here, there wouldn't be much to read, would there???

That is your reason!

Easy, Danno! I see your point, believe me, I do! I've been whacked on the snout plenty of times for being a "naysayer" or a "bad ambassador to the hobby" and who knows what else it is that I am... But I don't think we want this to turn into another flame war... so we better all cool it. I really don't think my comment that the hood supports are a bit thick is worth any of us getting worked up. Back to the model...

I have 7-8 big-scale (1/9) motorcycle kits on my shelf... they've been there for many years, more than ten. They are all held up by their in-scale thickness styrene kickstands. And not one of them has fallen over. The plastic kickstands all have held up. I have a Big Deuce and two Big Ts, also about ten years old or so... all the parts are still fine, nothing warped, nothing broken. I'm pretty sure the weight of the Hornet's hood (what, a couple of grams?) could be held by two supports that were a bit more in scale than those in the photos of the kit pieces. Maybe not to exact scale thickness, but closer than what we've seen here. Can a modeler fix the kit pieces? Sure. But that's not the point. All I said was they were a bit thick. That's all! And that simple comment started all of this???

The model is 1/18 scale, but on the original issue it's listed as 1/15??? http://www.professorplastik.com/monster_site/proscenium/kits/xtrakits/othernonmonsteraurorakits/historicalkits/guillotine/guillotine_kit.htm

I applaud Moebius for bringing this model to the market, and I give full credit to anyone and everyone who was part of that. But I think the reason that some of us are wondering about the flaws in the kit (and dare to actually say something!) is because this car has been on many adult modeler's "most wanted list" forever! And after waiting and hoping and waiting some more, seeing the flaws in the kit is sort of a letdown. Yeah, yeah, I know... a good modeler can correct those flaws, you're nothing but a rivet counter, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah... we've all heard that a thousand times before. But apart from Moebius itself, and speaking strictly about those of us here on the forum, I really don't think anyone who notices a flaw or mistake in the model needs to be treated like some sort of model car hobby traitor. A discussion board is just that. So if someone makes a comment on what they see as a mistake or flaw in the model, it's just part of the conversation. It's not an attack on anyone. It's meant to start a discussion, not verbal warfare!

not only accurate but functional... because if you want functional hood support arms, you'd also obviously need functional hood hinges.

Functioning ones? With working torsion springs? At this scale that would be too hard to do. But to make static ones for display...the arms can be made of brass strip. The torsion springs could be faked by coiling some very thin brass strip. Of course they wouldn't really work, but the look would be there. The arms would have to be glued in the "open" position like the kit's arms are, and they would have to rest where the lit pieces are designed to rest, but they'd look a whole lot better than those plastic ones.

Geez, all I said was they looked a little thick. Which they do. Sorry to cause so many of you such intense anguish and pain! Charlie... yes, thinner pieces can be injection molded. Some models have separately molded side trim and hood trim strips that are thinner than these hood supports. Some models have very thin shafts and linkages that are thinner than these hood supports. Some models have separate horn rings that are thinner than these hood supports... and on and on. BTW Art... I really wasn't in the mood to hear a three hour lecture on injection-molding last night. Bottom line: to everyone I offended and caused extreme mental anguish and distress by my observation, I am SO sorry. How dare I comment on the fact that I think the hood supports are out of scale? What was I thinking? I guess I just went crazy or something... somehow I was under the impression that this was a model car forum, and that we were allowed to have opinions. I don't know where I get my crazy ideas from sometimes... So sorry... I guess I don't understand the purpose of a discussion board.

It's your loss...

CA is superglue. You can find it almost anywhere; I buy mine in a four tubes for a dollar pack at Walmart.

Come on, Art... There are countless styrene pieces in model kits that are thinner than those tree trunk hood supports. I've built enough models in my day to know that you can injection-mold parts way thinner than those hood supports. Maybe they made the supports extra beefy because they thought they needed to be, in order to hold up the hood (which I doubt)... but there's no injection molding technology-based reason why they have to be so thick. Sorry, not buying the "necessary compromises" story.

Well, I have the Bentley back to where I had it before the great fall. No need for photos, as you've already seen them!

Yeah, they can be fixed. But the obvious question is, why not make them correct in the first place?

Nice work on the engine parts!

A little thick, aren't they?

I don't think there's any danger of that... seeing as how he posted this 4 years ago!

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