Custom Mike Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Tim, I'm no better than anyone else, I've just been at it longer. The couplings came from my LHS, they're Detail Master #6...or maybe #7, I don't remember, I'll find the package someday!
taaron76 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Posted April 23, 2015 I figured you'd been at it for a while, judging by how many kits you have finished. I like the detail progression from when you first started until your latest WIP's. That's cool! I started back up again in Oct/Nov 2014 and I've learned a lot after building my last model at 17 and taking a 20 year hiatus. lol Thank God for the internet! ha! Tim
microwheel Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Hi Tim nice work on the chassis detail so far, especially for your first attempt my friend. As for your fuel line. Usually they hug the inside frame rail on the passenger side with metal tie straps to hold them to the chassis, (or opposite side from your brake line). You can drill a small hole with a pin vise at the front center top of the gass tank since most cars of that era, especially GMs ran to the fuel pick up on the top of the tank and ran out and over the rear end to the frame rail. So for you car, with it upside down, (obviously), run it from the center area of the front of the fuel tank, out under the rear end angled toward the left (or passenger side), then hug the inside of that side's suspension traction bar, turn it out toward the frame rail as you clear the traction bar and hug the inside of the frame rail all the way to the front of the car till you get it around the fuel pump area of the car. Sorry I don't have a detail reference pic to help you out with at the moment, but hopefully my discription helps you out.
blunc Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Hi Tim nice work on the chassis detail so far, especially for your first attempt my friend. As for your fuel line. Usually they hug the inside frame rail on the passenger side with metal tie straps to hold them to the chassis, (or opposite side from your brake line). You can drill a small hole with a pin vise at the front center top of the gass tank since most cars of that era, especially GMs ran to the fuel pick up on the top of the tank and ran out and over the rear end to the frame rail. So for you car, with it upside down, (obviously), run it from the center area of the front of the fuel tank, out under the rear end angled toward the left (or passenger side), then hug the inside of that side's suspension traction bar, turn it out toward the frame rail as you clear the traction bar and hug the inside of the frame rail all the way to the front of the car till you get it around the fuel pump area of the car. Sorry I don't have a detail reference pic to help you out with at the moment, but hopefully my discription helps you out. now that's some great info!
blunc Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Mike, I discovered them around 1996, since I work in the electronics field, I'm always finding goodies to use on models! Tim, what are you using for the e-brake lines? I've been in the electronics/semiconductor industry since the late 80's and seen a lot of nifty electronics thingies that add interesting detail to builds. really small "solder wick" can also be used in some braided line/cable applications and in vintage builds as "earth cables" ( we call them ground or negative cables now).
Stray Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Here is the brake and fuel lines on my AMT '67: And the proportioning valve for the brake system, as well as the splitter for the rears: And one of the references I had:
taaron76 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Posted April 23, 2015 Hi Tim nice work on the chassis detail so far, especially for your first attempt my friend. As for your fuel line. Usually they hug the inside frame rail on the passenger side with metal tie straps to hold them to the chassis, (or opposite side from your brake line). You can drill a small hole with a pin vise at the front center top of the gass tank since most cars of that era, especially GMs ran to the fuel pick up on the top of the tank and ran out and over the rear end to the frame rail. So for you car, with it upside down, (obviously), run it from the center area of the front of the fuel tank, out under the rear end angled toward the left (or passenger side), then hug the inside of that side's suspension traction bar, turn it out toward the frame rail as you clear the traction bar and hug the inside of the frame rail all the way to the front of the car till you get it around the fuel pump area of the car. Sorry I don't have a detail reference pic to help you out with at the moment, but hopefully my discription helps you out. Jim - Thanks for the tips! I always look forward to your responses because you do some amazing chassis detail. Heck, you do everything well! lol I will I would have went with a smaller gauge with brake lines, but hind site is always 20/20. All these lessons learned will be applied to the '65 Chevelle I have up next on the bench. Here is the brake and fuel lines on my AMT '67: image(32).jpeg And the proportioning valve for the brake system, as well as the splitter for the rears: image(44).jpeg image(30).jpeg And one of the references I had: BrakeMove1.gif Stray - Thanks for the pics/tips! I will attempt to run fuel lines tonight. Is that 1 or 2 fuel lines on the '67 Chevelle? Tim
mustang1989 Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Tim: Great work on the undersides man! Mike: I'll be jotting that info down in the ol' black book!!
Stray Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 No probs mate. From what I could find the '67 runs a fuel line and beside it a smaller return line.
taaron76 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Posted April 23, 2015 No probs mate. From what I could find the '67 runs a fuel line and beside it a smaller return line. I figured that... I'll have to see what I can come up with that looks right from a scale perspective. Thanks again! Tim
microwheel Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Morning Tim, I think, but am not for certain, that 67 was right around the year when some cars started being made with vented gas tanks. Some, durning that time, but not all, were made that way. I'm sure there are some pretty good GM experts on here that would know for sure. I know in later years all cars did and do come with vented gas tanks. But I don't remember the 67 chevy implala I had as a teen having a vented tank, and I spent alot of time in my parents drive way under it durning the time I owned it, including time fixing rusty, broken, fuel and brake lines lol. So I would research a little before ya wrap yourself up into running double lines for the fuel sysem, you might only need the one. Usually if the car had a vent line going to the gas tank, it would have had a charcoal vacuum canister, under the hood somewhere that it went go to. Edited April 23, 2015 by microwheel
taaron76 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Posted April 23, 2015 Morning Tim, I think, but am not for certain, that 67 was right around the year when some cars started being made with vented gas tanks. Some, durning that time, but not all, were made that way. I'm sure there are some pretty good GM experts on here that would know for sure. I know in later years all cars did and do come with vented gas tanks. But I don't remember the 67 chevy implala I had as a teen having a vented tank, and I spent alot of time in my parents drive way under it durning the time I owned it, including time fixing rusty, broken, fuel and brake lines lol. So I would research a little before ya wrap yourself up into running double lines for the fuel sysem, you might only need the one. Usually if the car had a vent line going to the gas tank, it would have had a charcoal vacuum canister, under the hood somewhere that it went go to. Jim - I was searching around and found the below schematic. I never remember seeing a return line or the charcoal canister, but this pic helps clear up the mud a little. I also searched for fuel pumps from that year and found only 2 connections. One from the gas tank and one to the carb. I don't think they started using the charcoal canister until 1970 in California, but they were standard on all makes after that. Tim
microwheel Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 You got it bud, should be all the info you need to run the gas line properly.
Stray Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 You blokes have me worried I had done my lines wrong! I just spent the last couple hours scouring online for info on the fuel lines and I get mixed information. The most consistent though is that there was a return line on the Chevelle. That image above is used on the host site for the elcamino and wagon also, so may not be entirely correct, as the same site sells this sender unit http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?parta~dyndetail~Z5Z5Z50001035a~Z5Z5Z57237~P89.00~~~~S4C20K9WVC12210854730c~Z5Z5Z5~Z5Z5Z50001035a which has a 3/8" fuel line and a 1/4" return. This site also sells them http://www.am-autoparts.com/Chevy/Chevelle/fuel-sending-unit/AM-91238881/370384.html Here is a pic of a guys tank he is using on his '67, which has both fuel and return pipes http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-hybrids/485183-chevelle-fuel-tank-2.html#post10987846 And a couple pics of another guys frame before resto: And a restored chassis with the same shaped lines installed: I think I may just let my brain relax a little now, unless someone can go out to their driveway and take a picture of their '67 SS 396 fuel line/s I will just let my model stay with the return line I have done already. I know it is not really important, but I did the research before I plumbed my chassis and I would hate to think I definitely got it wrong lol
microwheel Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 You blokes have me worried I had done my lines wrong! I just spent the last couple hours scouring online for info on the fuel lines and I get mixed information. The most consistent though is that there was a return line on the Chevelle. That image above is used on the host site for the elcamino and wagon also, so may not be entirely correct, as the same site sells this sender unit http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?parta~dyndetail~Z5Z5Z50001035a~Z5Z5Z57237~P89.00~~~~S4C20K9WVC12210854730c~Z5Z5Z5~Z5Z5Z50001035a which has a 3/8" fuel line and a 1/4" return. This site also sells them http://www.am-autoparts.com/Chevy/Chevelle/fuel-sending-unit/AM-91238881/370384.html Here is a pic of a guys tank he is using on his '67, which has both fuel and return pipes http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-hybrids/485183-chevelle-fuel-tank-2.html#post10987846 And a couple pics of another guys frame before resto: bkln12.jpgbkln11.jpg And a restored chassis with the same shaped lines installed: IMG-20120213-00136.jpg I think I may just let my brain relax a little now, unless someone can go out to their driveway and take a picture of their '67 SS 396 fuel line/s I will just let my model stay with the return line I have done already. I know it is not really important, but I did the research before I plumbed my chassis and I would hate to think I definitely got it wrong lol Hi Stray, as I said, I think it just depended on the model and what options they offered on it, around that time. So it could very well have been that some had the vent lines and some may not have. But as I said, there are some really knowledgable chevy guys on here that would know for sure. I know my 67 implala didn't have the vent line, and it still had the vent hole in the gas cap. But some may have at that time.
taaron76 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Posted April 23, 2015 Stray, no worries... the top two pics are from a '69 from the below linked site. http://www.1969supersport.com/brakeline3.html I saw those today when looking to see when they started using a send and return, and/or a charcoal canister. Emissions laws kicked in around 1970, so that would explain why California models of the '70 and up would have up to 2 fuel lines and 1 charcoal canister. My best guess is that when they switched body styles in 1968, they started incorporating a send and return fuel line. Tim
taaron76 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Posted April 23, 2015 After doing more research, it looks like the '68-'72 models had one send to the fuel pump that went to a fuel filter. The fuel filter had one input and two outputs. One output was to the carb, and the other was vented back into the fuel tank. Here is a '68-'72 fuel filter. Here is a '64-'67 fuel filter.
taaron76 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Posted April 23, 2015 Fuel lines and exhaust in place. I'll tidy it up a little tomorrow and give the gas tank some aluminum paint. Not perfect, but presentable. Tim
microwheel Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 Now see Tim, wasn't that fun lmao. Nice work my friend
taaron76 Posted April 24, 2015 Author Posted April 24, 2015 Now see Tim, wasn't that fun lmao. Nice work my friend Lol. It actually was... Lots of lessons learned that will be incorporated into the '65 Chevelle. No rush on this one though since the show isn't until May 9th. Thanks for the pointers! Tim
mustang1989 Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 That chassis looks like a million bucks Tim! All kinds of eye candy just popping out there.
Custom Mike Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Great color combo on the interior, and great masking too!
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