Brett Barrow Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 I have it on good authority that the roof insert was intentional. The designer saw one done in the later 32- style like that and liked it.
Brett Barrow Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) I know that I'm not going to change any minds here, but I'm going to assume that not all of the options available are shown in the photo of the test shot, and knowing that it will come with a three two set up I'm going to assume (yeah I know the old adage) that one of the other parts included will be a hood to cover the engine, and since plastic can't represent the scale thickness of a hood, I'm going to assume (there I go again) that the undersized firewall might be a consolation to having the hood fit properly when in place, who knows it might even have a hood that goes over the blown motor, but to show the motor details better wasn't shown in the "leaked" photo. I'm just tossing this out for consideration, there just might be a nice model there if ALL the parts intended to be on it are in place, but if you want to build it without a hood, then you are changing the kit and you're back into being a modeler, not just a model builder. Yes there is a 3x2. Don't believe there is a hood. I do hope they fix the firewall, as is it is not only incorrect, but appears to fit poorly at that. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Edited June 28, 2015 by Brett Barrow
Ace-Garageguy Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 I know that I'm not going to change any minds here, but I'm going to assume that not all of the options available are shown in the photo of the test shot, and knowing that it will come with a three two set up I'm going to assume (yeah I know the old adage) that one of the other parts included will be a hood to cover the engine, and since plastic can't represent the scale thickness of a hood, I'm going to assume (there I go again) that the undersized firewall might be a consolation to having the hood fit properly when in place, who knows it might even have a hood that goes over the blown motor, but to show the motor details better wasn't shown in the "leaked" photo. I'm just tossing this out for consideration, there just might be a nice model there if ALL the parts intended to be on it are in place, but if you want to build it without a hood, then you are changing the kit and you're back into being a modeler, not just a model builder. Well, maybe if the hood is a scale 3" thick. Interesting that Revell was able to get a very accurate firewall and excellent hood fit on their 1/25 '31 Ford kit that has its roots in the '60s. If that's the excuse, it just doesn't fly.
mrm Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) Am I the only one who sees humor in the fact that these Revell threads are getting so predictable that people can just copy and paste the same posts in threads on two completely different kits? Now here's my post that sort of echos the same sentiments from my other post. If they fix this thing up, I will get quite a few. If it looks like it does now, I will pass, or get a single one to raid for parts. No matter how much they use the "It's a hot rod" excuse, that roof insert is flat wrong and will take quite a bit of fixing to build an acceptable model. The cowl looks bad from several different angles. The blower wouldn't be usable in the parts box, so that wouldn't leave a lot of reasons to buy this kit. I will get a few of the '29s, because they look pretty good, and Tim Boyd has vouched that they are fairly accurate. The '31 needs a bit of help. Hopefully the fixes are simple enough that they can do them. That's what test shots are for. I do like the SBC, and the carb setup. I also really like the '32 Grille. It won't take much reworking for Revell to really take this kit to the next level. If they do, I will buy a bunch. My Mother's best friend has a T-Shirt that says, "Life's too short to knit with ugly yarn." I am starting to feel the same way about models. I don't NEED any new kits, so they really have to make me WANT them if I am going to add to my overgrown stash. Glad you see the humor in it. It was intentional, demonstrating my point. I can copy and paste the exact same post in numerous of threads and probably do it over and over in the next ten years. Because of three main reasons. First, there is always the group of people that no matter what, will criticize "the upcoming kit". If it is a chopped '30s Ford - why is it chopped, it should have been stock body, we can chop it….. If it is stock, why do we have to chop it, it should've been blah, blah, blah……. Second, past records have proven, that not much has changed over time. They will not correct the kit right away, no matter what. It is simply not financially feasible to do so. Because they can sell more than enough just the way they are to have a return on their investment. Remember that their profit is not affected by the final buyer. It is affected by the distributor's order. And in case you have not figured it out yet, the managers at Wallmart, Hobby Lobby, Michael's etc probably can not make a difference between a '16 Ford and a '36 model. Neither most of their customers who will buy the kits for their kids or just to keep busy in the winter. Which brings us to the last, but not least important reason, why my post could be recycled time and time again. Revell do not put kits out for people with stashes. They put them out for the people just starting their stashes or maybe just trying the hobby for the first time. Because if they were catering to people with stashes, this hobby would have been dead long time ago and Revell would have probably moved on to RC cars or video games. Edited June 28, 2015 by mrm
Ace-Garageguy Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 Revell do not put kits out for people with stashes. They put them out for the people just starting their stashes... Oh REALLY??? How dare they discriminate that way???
mrm Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) Oh REALLY??? How dare they discriminate that way??? Hahhahaha….you crack me up. But what cracks me up even more is the logic behind some of the complaints about this kit. So let me see if I get this right…We have a 1930 Ford body, that has been chopped, the roof has been filled ala '32 and it is fitted with who knows what fantasy combination of interior components. Then this wild cocktail is seated on top of a 1932 Ford chassis, with modern Chevy motor and Buick brakes, which probably will have very little in common with anything close to stock 1932 Ford chassis. Did I miss anything?….. Either way….And the firewall not matching the one found on a pristine stock 1930 is an issue?!?!?!?!?! Bwahahahahaa P.S. I am not familiar with Revell's statistics, but It seems like their '32s are one of their biggest hits, that sold millions. I was just wondering, because without knowing what exactly the firewall on a pristine stock '32 looks like, I am pretty sure it is nothing like what is in the kit. Edited June 28, 2015 by mrm
Toner283 Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 Hahhahaha.you crack me up. But what cracks me up even more is the logic behind some of the complaints about this kit. So let me see if I get this rightWe have a 1930 Ford body, that has been chopped, the roof has been filled ala '32 and it is fitted with who knows what fantasy combination of interior components. Then this wild cocktail is seated on top of a 1932 Ford chassis, with modern Chevy motor and Buick brakes, which probably will have very little in common with anything close to stock 1932 Ford chassis. Did I miss anything?.. Either way.And the firewall not matching the one found on a pristine stock 1930 is an issue?!?!?!?!?! Bwahahahahaa P.S. I am not familiar with Revell's statistics, but It seems like their '32s are one of their biggest hits, that sold millions. I was just wondering, because without knowing what exactly the firewall on a pristine stock '32 looks like, I am pretty sure it is nothing like what is in the kit. No, you are right about that last part. The firewalls in the series of 1932 Ford kits are nothing like a stock deuce firewall. Revell did not even attempt to make them look like a stock deuce firewall and therein lies the point. If Revell had made the firewall in the upcoming coupe kit a flat firewall, that would have eliminated 99% of the growling about the firewall inaccuracy. Installing a flat firewall for engine clearance in a 1930/31 Model A is a very common modification in the full scale hot rod world. The fact that they tried to make it look like a factory firewall and failed miserably is the problem I have with it. As has already been pointed out on the old school 31 Ford kits from Revell the firewall is dead on. In those kits it has a full hood, allows for the thickness of the plastic and still looks right. In regards to the blower housing, that does not bother me personally too much as that is not something I will be using anyway as I am more an old school multi carb kind of guy. The roof insert I have not seen any good clear pictures of yet so I don't have much to say about it other than I don't know that I have ever seen a full size hot rod Model A with a deuce style roof insert. They are usually either fully completely filled with a sheet of steel or they still have the original soft top ( or no soft top and the original opening with wooden bows in it). Like Ace, I also work in the full size hot rod industry. In that business it is either right or you do it again. When customers are spending their hard earned money and entrusting you with thier project, it needs to be done properly before it is in the customer's hands. And you can not bill a customer for the time it takes to do the work a second time if you screw it up the first time. One of my mentors once told me something that I have found to be very true. the human eye is one of the most accurate measuring devices known. it may not be able to measure down to thousands of an inch but it can tell from several feet when something does not look or flow right. When we are building a vehicle with proportions completely different from stock (hot rod or custom), the vehicle gets rolled outside several times during the build process so that we can stand back 50 or 60 feet from the vehicle and look at it from several different angles. Individual elements of a vehicle can look great when viewed as each single element, but can look like it was put together with no eye for style, design or flow when viewed as a whole. I am in wholehearted agreement with several of the other posters in this thread when it has been said that it costs less time and money to do something right the first time than to do a job poorly and have to do it again. And that goes for anything in life. Whether it be building a full size car, a model car, or painting a fence.
mrm Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) I understand and agree with every single thing you said Chris. But fail to see the need to apply it to this particular case. Here is why... First you can't compare what you do with the release of a toy. If I am your customer and ask you my front to be three inches from the ground, there is no excuse to receive anything else when I pay you. The same would be true, if you commission me to build you a model of '30 Ford with stock firewall and I use one like what we are talking about. That should not, could not and would not happen. But this is not what we are dealing with, are we? We are dealing with a generic representation of a street rod built by someone's imagination. If this was marketed as exact replica of one particular piece out there, I would be totally on the same boat as you guys. But it is not. I am pretty sure there is not one single person on the entire planet that has seen every single Street Rod based on a '30 Ford. I am not trying to give credibility to an earlier post that the designer of the kit based the roof on a rod he saw in person, but it is possible. More importantly- it is irrelevant. The beauty of Hot Rodding is exactly that no two are the same. Hot rods are art in sense that they are someone's personal expression. I think that the reason some on here are failing to welcome this kit is because you are looking at it from the wrong point of view. You are trying to relate to what you have seen. To see in it a replica of existing car somewhere out there. And I believe that Revell actually has hit a perfect ten with it, providing a blank canvas for anyone who wants to build a '30 Street Rod. Accurate enough for the average builder to make a generic representation of something they saw at the local car show, with enough kitbashing material to justify more seasoned builders buying multiple pieces, yet easy enough for accomplished modelers to get it "just right". The way I see it, it's a homerun from any angle. But let me throw two simple scenarios out there. I live in a town of 6000 people ( for real) We have a very small car club. Some guys have some hot rods that probably have "weird" elements that no one outside a 200 miles radius has seen. So lets say that whoever designed what we are seeing in these photos saw a '30 Street Rod at one such small town show and used it to base the model on it. So this could be the most accurate replica in the world, but to anyone outside the hypothetical 200 mile radius it would be messed up in all sorts of ways. Now let's entertain a completely different scenario. The model is not developed at all. Someone already working on the next variation of the announced '29 mocked up what an eventual variation would look like from all sorts of parts just as a visual representation of what they are starting to work on. I apologize if I have missed it somewhere, but I was left with the impression that this is not even announced as an upcoming model yet. Edited June 28, 2015 by mrm
Greg Myers Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 So this could be the most accurate replica in the world, but to anyone outside the hypothetical 200 mile radius it would be messed up in all sorts of ways. Yep
Ace-Garageguy Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) Now let's entertain a completely different scenario. The model is not developed at all. Someone already working on the next variation of the announced '29 mocked up what an eventual variation would look like from all sorts of parts just as a visual representation of what they are starting to work on. I apologize if I have missed it somewhere, but I was left with the impression that this is not even announced as an upcoming model yet. One flaw in that reasoning...the photo shows a test-shot produced in injection-molding tooling. IF this tooling is as astronomically expensive as many would have us believe, it's a sure thing Revell wouldn't have sprung for the cost if this isn't a pretty solid bet (like 100%) for production. Edited June 28, 2015 by Ace-Garageguy
Spex84 Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) Today I pulled a '30 Phaeton model off the shelf and looked at that very nice separate firewall on the sprue tree, and felt better. Even though it's 1/24, I'm sure there will be a way to make it fit the new '30 body. I don't know why anyone is getting hung up on the firewall, when it's the shape of the body that is critical. Everything else can be swapped or kitbashed. Building my 1/24 Monogram A (still WIP), I had to flatten the stock firewall quite a bit to allow engine clearance. It doesn't make sense to have completely stock-appearing firewall. ... Finally pinned down what does bug me about the firewall though. It's toy-like, stylized in a way that we probably would never see in 1:1. The old flat/recessed '32 3-window firewall is stylized, but at least it's plausible and not too chunky. ... As long as the body is more or less on-target, Revell will be giving us complainers the greatest gift of all: the opportunity to "correct" the model and then feel accomplished and superior. Lol. ... If anyone from Revell is reading this thread and feeling put out by all the unappreciative comments, here's a saying I came across a couple days ago that I think applies here: "A b******* (complaining) sailor is a happy sailor". There's only a problem when everyone goes unnaturally quiet... Edited June 28, 2015 by Spex84
Toner283 Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 ..... It doesn't make sense to have completely stock-appearing firewall...Why not?? Not everyone wants a V8.
Jon Haigwood Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 Last I heard it was going to be released in August . Anybody hear anything else ?
Brett Barrow Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 Last I heard it was going to be released in August . Anybody hear anything else ? That would be the 29 Roadster, not the 31 Coupe.
Greg Myers Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Today I pulled a '30 Phaeton model off the shelf and looked at that very nice separate firewall on the sprue tree, and felt better. Even though it's 1/24, I'm sure there will be a way to make it fit the new '30 body. I don't know why anyone is getting hung up on the firewall, when it's the shape of the body that is critical. Everything else can be swapped or kitbashed. That being the problem, why should you have to rob a perfectly good kit to fix (?) one that should have been correct to begin with ?
mike 51 Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 That being the problem, why should you have to rob a perfectly good kit to fix (?) one that should have been correct to begin with ? Exactly..and if Revell and Monogram could both get it right 50 years ago, why not now?
bobthehobbyguy Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Yup but the goal is to reach 800 posts like the new ford wagon. To reduce repetition I suggest a numbered list of comments so everyone can type a number and everyone will know what they mean.
Dennis Lacy Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Yup but the goal is to reach 800 posts like the new ford wagon. To reduce repetition I suggest a numbered list of comments so everyone can type a number and everyone will know what they mean. - If you take issue with the shape of the firewall, type "1" - If you take issue with the shape of the roof opening, type "2" - If you take issue with the fact that a small block Chevy is included, type "3" - If you take no issue with the kit and are just grateful that Revell is releasing anything, type "4" - If you take your hobby way too seriously, type "5" - If you think you could have done it way better, type "6" - If you feel you've reached this thread in error, please click the "back" icon on your browser.... 1
LDO Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) Is there a number for "I can't believe they're making a street rod when there is no kit of the boring sedan I drove to high school"? Edited July 4, 2015 by LDO
Greg Myers Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) That's the one I like. Every time I see those threads I have to wonder, you can't be serious. Here's another "One Vote Wonder" Edited July 4, 2015 by Greg Myers
Dennis Lacy Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Is there a number for "I can't believe they're making a street rod when there is no kit of the boring sedan I drove to high school"? I knew I forgot one...
bobthehobbyguy Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 7 I can't immediately find something wrong but give some time and I can find something
bobthehobbyguy Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) 8 Its a hot rod I want stock 9 I wanted a different style hot rod Edited July 4, 2015 by bobthehobbyguy
Ace-Garageguy Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 ...and number 10: It has some obvious issues and inaccuracies, but I'll buy it anyway. It's a decent place to start.
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