I Would Like Someone To Make Me Some 1/24 Webers

[Quick GMC]

I have been searching for years for the right Weber/stack combo for a build I want to do and I always come up short. I want to build a 427 Cobra with Webers, from the Revell Kit. I have the Fujimi Webers, HRM Webers and stacks, R&M of Maryland Webers and stacks, Scale Production stacks, RB Motion stacks, TDR Innovations 3D printed Webers and stacks. None of these are the right combo. 

The problem is all the aftermarket Webers are too small for the engine in the Revell kit. The aftermarket turned stacks are too big for the Weber kits. I believe I have the right size stacks, as I have several different sizes now. What I need is a larger Weber made. All the ones I have seem to be 1/25 when I need 1/24. 

The 3D printed Webers seem to the best the best size so far, but there is too much sanding to do to keep them clean. 

I am willing to pay more than I should for this, to cover material costs and pay you for your time. I can also provide the parts that I have for reference. I refuse to do this build until I have what I want.

[socal76]

Quick GMC, you might want ti check out the Weber's in the Craig Carter IMSA Camaro as they have always seemed just a touch oversize. I typed in AMT Craig Carter IMSA Camaro and when I got to the images click on the one that has the Peerless Racing along withe the kit name on top of the box image. Scrolled through using the right image arrow and it was like the fifth one> If I had an extra set I would send you them, but only two sets and and still short two sets.

Steven

[sfhess]

Check the Webers in the Accurate Miniatures (reissued by Revell) Corvette Grand Sport kit.

[Ace-Garageguy]

I assume you want down-drafts, as that's what every Cobra I've ever seen ran. The Accurate Miniatures carbs are side-drafts, and they're different.

There seems to be a widespread misconception that all Webers are the same, when they're not. You don't just slap side-drafts on a downdraft manifold in reality...the float bowls are oriented in such a way that all they'd do is spew gasoline everywhere...and anyone with any familiarity with the 1:1 carbs would notice instantly on a model.

The AMT Craig Carter IMSA Camaro also has side-draft carbs.

The particular Weber carb you're going to want is most likely a 48 IDA down-draft.

The more common Weber side-draft carb numbers end with a DCO()... suffix. Look the two types up (IDA vs DCO) on Google image search, and you'll see immediately why they're not interchangeable.

Obviously, you'd only need one correctly-scaled 48 IDA master to make as many copies as anyone wanted.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[Pete J.]

I don't want to be a wet blanket on the "someone to build" part(yes that whistling sound you here is the incoming wet rag) but one of the facts that most people don't understand is cost.  I build alot of my own parts and have done some production work for others and I know many other people who do this sort of stuff.  The premium that you would pay for a single part as complex as a carb and stack would be quite high for a couple of pieces.  A good estimate for someone to make a resin casting would be no less than 15 hours to build the part and mold.  The computer work for a 3D printer would be about the same and add the cost of having it printed at someplace like Shapeways(because the $800 Dremel printer won't give you the resolution you want).  To do this work requires a skilled craftsman, not a 16 year old in the basement.  You would be talking minimum of $300 to $500.    Almost all the expense is the upfront design and mold work.  You might get lucky and find someone who wants this as well and who can see the potential for an additional hundred or so future sale, but for one time sale, you are probably going to wind up paying an arm and a leg for it.

Perhaps, and I mean this in the most positive way, it is time for you to dive into scratch building and learn how to do your own.  That can be a very rewarding part of the hobby when you can say "I made that"  instead of "I assembled that from parts that others made."  Good luck!

Edited January 6, 2016 by Pete J.
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[Ace-Garageguy]

Pete is 100% correct in everything he says. Finding someone with the skills to make one perfect master is not easy...or cheap...whether in scale or 1:1; finding someone with the skills to make good molds is also difficult, but not as hard as finding someone to do the master-work...and this is why some guys who do masters send them off to less-skilled craftsmen to do the mold work.

Making the first prototype of anything is where a large part of the cost comes in, and clients are often horrified by the number of hours even a relatively simple part takes, and the subsequent cost.

As Pete says, "To do this work requires a skilled craftsman, not a 16 year old in the basement". And expect to pay a minimum of $25 per hour, even to a retiree who doesn't much care about the money.

[Lownslow]

having trouble sanding 3d prints?  

 

Use a modified air eraser that can shoot baking soda.

[Quick GMC]

Yes, to clarify I am looking for the downdraft carbs, not the sidedraft like in the Grand Sport kit. 

I'm well aware that it would take someone with a lot of skills and experience. I don't want to pay absurd amounts of money, but if it took $300 or so, I can deal with it. Seems crazy, but I would really like to do this build eventually

I scratch build some things, but this is out of my realm. Yes, doing some things on my own are fun, but this is not something that would be fun for me. I don't have the time to learn this particular skillset of miniature sculpting. This is one of those instances where I would rather pay to have it done right. I have a family with a 2 year old and I run my own business. Build time is rare in itself, this would just ruin the hobby for me. 

I used to make a living in a very laborious industry and I became incredibly good at my job. I charged a good amount of money for what I did, I respect what it takes to do these types of things well and wouldn't expect someone's time for nothing. 

[MeatMan]

Have you checked out the Model Meister Webers.  I bought some and they seem a bit large and they have nice detail.

[iBorg]

I looked at Model Meister for the Webers.....I couldn't find them.

 

Mike

[Ace-Garageguy]

Have you checked out the Model Meister Webers.  I bought some and they seem a bit large and they have nice detail.

Those are side-drafts; he needs down-drafts. See posts above.

[MeatMan]

Those are side-drafts; he needs down-drafts. See posts above.

Understood, I was just posting for the detail.  So what is the visual difference?

[Ace-Garageguy]

...  So what is the visual difference?

Weber side-drafts like these DCOE units flow horizontally, mount like this, and the float-bowls are oriented to work in this position. The bowl covers are the roughly rectangular parts on top of the carbs, retained by the gold-colored, wing-nutted jet / emulsion-tube cover, and perimeter screws.

Weber down-draft carbs like the IDA unit, flow vertically and mount like this. The float bowl is accessed by removing the top-cover which has integral air-horn bases and also retains the removable venturi assemblies. The jet (and emulsion tube) covers on these are the small rectangular gold-colored plates on top. You can't use a side-draft in a down-draft application, and you can't use a down-draft in a side-draft application...any more than you can mount a Holley 4-barrel on its side.

Down-drafts on a Ford...

Side-draft setup for a Chebby smallblock...

 

 

Edited October 6, 2017 by Ace-Garageguy

[MeatMan]

I looked at Model Meister for the Webers.....I couldn't find them.

 

Mike

Wow, I couldn't find them either.  They must have stopped making them since this summer!  I'm glad I bought extra.

[MeatMan]

I see now.  This site has diagrams of Webers and I compared them side by side. Thanks for the lessons.

http://www.carburetion.com/CarbID/weberID.htm

 

[Ace-Garageguy]

No offense, but those Model Meister parts don't look to be particularly accurate representations of anything...just some sorta-mechanical squiddledy things engraved on the tops of vaguely Weber-shaped things.

In contrast, the Accurate Miniatures Corvette Webers are quite nice representations of the 58mm side-drafts fitted to the Grand Sports.

          

NOTE: You can use side-drafts or down-drafts on any real engine and get acceptable results. The decision to use one or the other is arrived at by considering things like port-angle, available space, whether anyone makes an appropriate manifold or whether it will have to be custom-fabricated, etc.

[aurfalien]

Replicas & Miniatures of MD as well as HRM have them to buy.  Once in hand, then you can try and dupe via Alumilite or SmoothOn.

I bought some metal ones from Scale Production over in Germany before.

I'm getting an LS Chap 2C kit which has metal Webers which I may copy.  The problem is that the tall velocity stacks are integrated which I may not want.

It might be cheaper just to buy em versus try and copy.  Silicon RTV and resin are already incorporated into my workflow so it makes sense for me.

I can't speak highly enough about HRM or Replicas & Miniatures of MD.  Top notch products from top notch ppl for sure.  Give em a call.

Edited January 8, 2016 by aurfalien

[Ace-Garageguy]

Replicas & Miniatures of MD as well as HRM have them to buy.  Once in hand, then you can try and dupe via Alumilite or SmoothOn.

The only ones I'm familiar with from R&M are SIDE-DRAFT carbs, and not appropriate for what the OP needs. See multiple posts above.

The OP also states HE HAS THE HRM CARBS. Apparently too small for 1/24 scale 48 IDA Webers.

Edited January 8, 2016 by Ace-Garageguy

[aurfalien]

The only ones I'm familiar with from R&M are SIDE-DRAFT carbs, and not appropriate for what the OP needs. See multiple posts above.

The OP also states HE HAS THE HRM CARBS. Apparently too small for 1/24 scale 48 IDA Webers.

Oh, things may have changed but R&MofMD had the down and side draft carbs in his catalog.  I believe they were 48 as well.  I'll look next week and report back as its on loan to a buddy.

PS You've a killer assortment of carbs, nice!  As they say, one cannot have too many carbs!

 

Edited January 8, 2016 by aurfalien

[VRM]

You can try TDR and see if they will do it in a scale other than 1/8th.  You may be able to get the manifold, carbs, and stacks all in a single kit.  

https://sites.google.com/site/tdrhtmllearn/home/engine-shop/ford-engine-selection/427-so-stock-multi-media-kit

[Pete J.]

You might branch out a little.  Remember Ferrari's of that era ran down draft Webers as well.  I believe Alfa and Fiat ran them too.  It was a smaller intake because it was on a V-12, but you might find something useful there. Perhaps a 1:20 scale of a smaller carb might work for you. 

[Quick GMC]

Alright, so somehow I made a huge mistake.

I have a little box where all my engine aftermarket parts are. I went through EVERYTHING this morning and found another set of TDR Webers that are much larger. I checked my purchase history on Shapeways and found a purchase made a while ago for 1/20 Webers and stacks. These seem to be the right size, maybe a little on the large size, but I think they will pass. They still need a lot of work to get smoother out and stuff, but so far these are by far the closest to the right size for a downdraft Weber I have found. I have no idea why there were stashed somewhere else or that I even had them. 

Those comparions photos someone posted are my pictures. I will do this again with the new Webers and next to the engine parts. I have compared the way it looks with some actual 1:1 Weber 427 setups and they look pretty freaking close. 

The challenge now is to scratchbuild a FE Weber manifold, as TDR does not offer their manifold in 1/20

I think what happened was I was on the hunt for these carbs like I am now and I ordered these, and when they came in I was so busy with work I tossed them in a box and completely forgot. 

I will post pics soon

[Ace-Garageguy]

Alright, so somehow I made a huge mistake.

I have a little box where all my engine aftermarket parts are. I went through EVERYTHING this morning and found another set of TDR Webers that are much larger. I checked my purchase history on Shapeways and found a purchase made a while ago for 1/20 Webers and stacks. These seem to be the right size, maybe a little on the large size, but I think they will pass. They still need a lot of work to get smoother out and stuff, but so far these are by far the closest to the right size for a downdraft Weber I have found. I have no idea why there were stashed somewhere else or that I even had them. 

Those comparions photos someone posted are my pictures. I will do this again with the new Webers and next to the engine parts. I have compared the way it looks with some actual 1:1 Weber 427 setups and they look pretty freaking close. 

The challenge now is to scratchbuild a FE Weber manifold, as TDR does not offer their manifold in 1/20

I think what happened was I was on the hunt for these carbs like I am now and I ordered these, and when they came in I was so busy with work I tossed them in a box and completely forgot. 

I will post pics soon

Yup. I recalled a similar question had been asked here before, and when I went looking for it, there you were.

http://www.modelcarsmag.com/forums/topic/92668-weber-manifold-for-427/

[Crazy Ed]

Alright, so somehow I made a huge mistake.

I have a little box where all my engine aftermarket parts are. I went through EVERYTHING this morning and found another set of TDR Webers that are much larger. I checked my purchase history on Shapeways and found a purchase made a while ago for 1/20 Webers and stacks. These seem to be the right size, maybe a little on the large size, but I think they will pass. They still need a lot of work to get smoother out and stuff, but so far these are by far the closest to the right size for a downdraft Weber I have found. I have no idea why there were stashed somewhere else or that I even had them. 

Those comparions photos someone posted are my pictures. I will do this again with the new Webers and next to the engine parts. I have compared the way it looks with some actual 1:1 Weber 427 setups and they look pretty freaking close. 

The challenge now is to scratchbuild a FE Weber manifold, as TDR does not offer their manifold in 1/20

I think what happened was I was on the hunt for these carbs like I am now and I ordered these, and when they came in I was so busy with work I tossed them in a box and completely forgot. 

I will post pics soon

     Just a wild thought. Have you considered contacting TDR or their Rep. Shapeways to see if they'd shoot you a set of say 1/22 or 1/23 scale Carbs? Given the process they should be almost infinitly scaleable

[Ace-Garageguy]

First off, you might like to look at the dimensions for a 48 IDA and divide them by 24 to see exactly where you are with what you already have.