Pretty much done with resin.

[AzTom]

I don't do much resin but I have never offered for sale items I didn't have made.  My web site has inventory control so once the parts are gone is shows Sold Out. 

Items in stock ready to ship will increase your sales, Guaranteed! 

[Codi]

For what its worth.  I'm working on machining a 417 Donovan in 1/25th.  I have great info / specifications to go by but if I can have an "appropriate" example to reference, then I'd like to have it for comparative purposes.  So, I placed an order with Ted @ TedsModelingMarketplace for a Mark Johnson, 1/16th scale Donovan.  He told me that Mark committed to shipping it within a month.  So a month goes by and I email Ted for a status. Teds not happy. He sends me back my Paypal payment PLUS the freight even though nothing was shipped and apologizes to me profusely.  A stand-up guy. Within days, I get an email from Mark Johnson himself telling me that he can / will ship within a few days if I make an immediate Paypal payment.  So I did. He told me he'd ship it last Monday.  I emailed Wed. for an update.  Nothing.  I emailed him again on Friday. Again, nothing.  Sent him a 3rd email on Sunday............and this morning, you guessed it, NOTHING.  It's this type of nonsense that gives the resin industry a bad name.  I'll go back to Paypal and file a claim to get my money back. Pure aggravation. I don't care how nice his product, or any other casters products might be, whats the point when you go through this? (rhetorical, please don't answer)  IF I should get the engine this week I'll be sure to let everyone know. But at this point, be forewarned. I just don't have the patience for people that promise you one thing and then do something else.

 

[cobraman]

No excuse for bad service IMO. On another note, I am still waiting for the tires I ordered and paid for months ago.

[John Pol]

That is why I don`t order that much from resin casters on a fix income so every dollar counts. I been burnt a couple times before so I don`t take any chances

[John Teresi]

TIm "AKA " Codi"..........sorry to hear about your resin engine from Mark Johnson......that sucks!!!!!......my good friend "Mooneys" AKA Chris Sobak.....has been waiting for his resin engine from Mark Johnson for 3 years now.......and he is still waiting.......Chris is such a super nice guy  that he won`t speak up for it.......I was going to order a resin engine from Johnson about 6 months ago and I decided to go with a Shapeways 3D printed engine instead.......I loved it.......I am starting a new project and I need a 392 Hemi that Mark Johnson sells.......but,now that I here what he did to you and has done to Chris......I will just order it from Shapeways  3D printed.......that`s to bad that Johnson has insulted you and Chris........two of the best model builders in the industry.......thanks again for the heads up......he won`t ever get my business.

 

all my best,John

Edited June 29, 2016 by John Teresi

[cobraman]

3 years !!!! And I thought my 5 months was bad. I just believe if these folks can't deliver in a timely fashion they should not be taking peoples money.  Ebay with parts in hand is the only way I will buy going forward.

[Mooneyzs]

Ray... It is true that I had ordered  a couple of engines from Mark Johnson about 3 years ago and still waiting for them.

Back on 9/23/2013 I had emailed mark letting him know that I wanted to order 2 of his 1/16th Scale Donovan engines and then I also told him that I wanted one of his 1/16th Scale Big Block Chevy engines and I couldn't decided if I wanted the regular big Block or his Big Block with the Arias Heads. I wanted the Donovan engines for a specific project, well lets just say actually 2. You will learn more about them later once the Army funny car is done but I will just say that these 2 Projects are near and dear to my heart and where my love of drag racing came from. So I had attached a couple pics of this car to show Mark w hat I was wanting them for. Back on 10/4/2013 he gets back to me letting me know that he has 2 versions of the 1/16 Donovan 417 engine and the price for the Big Block Chevy would be $35.00 and an additional $12.00 for the Arias heads. He also sent a few pics of the Donovan engine to me what it looked like. I wrote Mark back on 10/4/2013 and had attached some pics of the engine of the special project I want to do.

So He got back to me on 10/12/2013 and mentioned to me that the Manifold in the pics I sent him was much higher than what he had in his kit. Mark said that he might undertake the part of making that other manifold that I needed and hoping that he could get it done before shipping the engines to me. I had gotten back to Mark on 11/15/2013 letting him know that I wanted to get the 2 engines and that I didn't know what he wanted to do about the manifold. I told him let me know and I will get a Money order out ASAP. He then got back to me on 11/17/2013 Letting me know that the total for the engines would be $76.00 ($35 for each engine and $6.00 for shipping). Mark said that he would still have to develop the taller manifold and that I would get the present engine combo like he did for me on the 426 that is in my Army Vega and then when he got the valve covers I needed done, he shipped them later. So I was stoked to hear that when he said that back then. I asked him if it would be any trouble to add the Big Block Chevy to the order and I had said that sounds great about getting the Donovan engines and that I could pick up 2 of the manifolds once they are done. I also mentioned that I wasn't even close to starting these 2 special projects but was trying to get parts together for them. I had asked him to let me know what the new total would be for the engines and that I would get a money order out to him the next day. So I had ordered 2 Donovan Engines ($35.00 ea) and a chevy big block engine ($35.00) and a set of the Arias heads & valve covers ($12.00) plus 6.00 shipping for a total of $123.00. On 12/16/2013 I got a email letting me know that he got my Money order and that he was proceeding with my order. He has mentioned that it may not get to me until after Christmas with being busy for the Holidays. I was glad to hear that he got my money order and told him that it was totally cool to get to them after Christmas and I told him that I was in No Rush at all for the engines.

Now Fast forward to 8/14/2015.... I got an email from Mark letting me know that he got to the Post Office today and mailed out a 427 Big Block Chevy and Arias Big Block Chevy. Also telling me that he was going to be forwarding the Donovan's to me soon. Well since then time has gone by and I haven't heard nothing. So about a week ago on 7/1/2016, 10 months later still nothing on the Donovan engines. I decided to email Mark on 7/1/2016 and ask about these engines. I told him that its been a while since we last chatted (emailed) and that I wanted to find out the status of the engine. I also had told him that I lurked on the Facebook page "Dedicated to preserving 1/16 Drag Racing Models" since I got off of Facebook about 2 years ago I wasn't sure if I would be able to see this group or not. But was able to and I ran across a post where Mark mentioned that he wasn't going to making parts for a while and that he was going to fill what ever open orders he had. I mentioned to him that when I originally ordered the 2  Donovan engines I wasn't in a hurry for them 3 years ago and knew that he had to develop the High rise manifold. Well As of late I have been itching to start these 2 special projects because I want to draw the chassis's up in my CAD system and I needed the engines to be able to measure so I can base the rest of the measurements for the chassis off the engine. I told him That I have been extremely patient waiting for these engines and that I decided to draw up the Donovan High Rise Manifold that I needed and would have them 3D printed. Again I reiterated that I have been waiting super patiently for these engines but I am at a point where I want to start these 2 builds. I told Mark that Either I am going to have to have him send me the engines in a timely matter or if he couldn't that I ask if he would refund my money. I would of had no problems if he would of send the engines out way back when and then I waited for him to develop the manifold. 

I am not one that will ever bash anyone on this forum but I do not think that I should of had to of waited for 3 years for these 2 engines. During the time frame when I first starting to use his resin engine's about 4 plus years ago, the 426 Hemi that is in my Army Vega funny car I was so impressed with his resin engines that I was promoting them when ever people asked where I got the engine I told them from Mark Johnson, he has the best 1/16th engines in the business. As of today I still haven't gotten a response back from my email and I know it hasn't been quite a week yet. I am a pretty understanding and patient person but at least have the decency to respond to an email and get back to someone. I would of been fine with an email that said... "hey sorry I haven't gotten back sooner things life has busy etc", and at least let me know your plan on the engines is. Ever since I saw this thread and saw what Tim posted I have been on the fence If I should post my experience or not. But since this has left a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth I figured it wouldn't hurt to share with everyone.

So as of right now I am trying to find a 1/16th Scale Aurora Donovan engine that I can buy. I know they are hard to come by and I missed an opportunity a few months ago on ebay and wished that I would of bid another $15 to $20.... It would of been worth it to me at this point. Anyway here is a picture of the manifold I have drawn up and a picture with the Blower I drew up for the Army Vega Funny car. I still have some minor tweaking to the manifold model like adding the blower stud holes and some mount holes that will bolt it to the heads.

 

Manifold:

 

Manifold and Blower:

 

 

Edited July 17, 2016 by Mooneyzs

[John Teresi]

Chris.....sorry to hear about this nasty business deal that MARK JOHNSON did to you......I would be really pissed off.....I hear he did the same thing to Tim AKA "CODI"......doesn`t Mark know that he has screwed over 2 of the best builders in the country?.......I hope this gets out to the people that are thinking of buying a Mark Johnson resin engine......I know I never will......what a joke of a Human being.......it`s a shame that crooked people like this can sleep at night knowing how they can get away with BLAH_BLAH_BLAH_BLAH like this.......BEWARE don`t buy from MARK JOHNSON he is a crook.

[Codi]

Chris and John,  I TOTALLY concur.  The guy is just disreputable.  NO one should bother with him or his product.  I have already started the process that one must follow with Paypal to get reimbursed.   Not sure how else WE can get the message out on MARK JOHNSON, but he really deserves blacklisting.  If more people are aware and stop sending him their hard earned money, maybe, just maybe, he'll go away and spare everyone/anyone else the aggravation.  Tim

[cobraman]

Sad way to run a business. Thanks for sharing your story. I am pushing 5 months ( I believe ) on my tires I ordered . Much longer ( if ever ) and I may forget why I ordered them. : )

[Codi]

An update.  After last Thursday (following Chris and John Teresis posts the same day btw)  I received late that afternoon an email from Mark Johnson telling me that he sent the engine to the wrong address.  Coincidence?  He was back in possession of it and re-routing it to my proper address.  Keep in mind I sent him 3 emails previously asking for a status of said order that he committed to turning around within 3 days without a reply.

Today it showed up. I don't know the status of Chris' orders that he placed 3 years ago, I'll have to let Chris speak to that. I have know idea where the "truth" is concerning this entire matter.  But for what its worth, I won't be ordering again from Mark. I'm not convinced that it wasn't the "light of day" being casted (no pun) his way from this thread or even if he is aware of it.  It might possibly be due to our claim being filed with Paypal and no vendor wants to get on the bad side of Paypal.  Doesn't seem to matter if they annoy / cheat / ignore their actual clients that spend their money, but if Paypal cuts them off, they're done for all intents and purposes.  So, you decide. I don't care as I know who I WON'T  be ordering from in the future.  Got better things to do.   Cheers, Tim

[John Teresi]

Well,.....all I can say is I ordered my 1/16  392 Hemi  Shapeways 3D printed engine last week...... and a week later I got it......not stealing my money and not taking 3 years to get it....... and 3D printed stuff is the future and its great stuff and great detail......who needs Mark  Johnson resin engines anyway......not me........hope this helps any of you guys thinking about buying from Mark Johnson......take your risk

P.S.......glad you finally got your engine Tim.......but,next time you should really look into Shapeways 3D printed stuff......Chris my little Brother....I`m so sorry that this happened to you I really hope Mark Johnson either sends you your engines or gives you back your money......I know you told me that he wants to charge you again.....thats a crock what  a crooked man......Wow Brother I feel so very bad for you.....you have the talent...... just draw up your own stuff for Shapeways to print for you......thats what you should do forget the Mark Johnson Resin stuff......we need to get the word out about this crook.....really ruins my day for my friends to get taken

Edited July 12, 2016 by John Teresi

[Mooneyzs]

Tim... I know it's been a little bit with an update for things with me on the Engines from Mark. So as I mentioned in my last post I emailed mark on 7/1/2016 to ask about these engines. I finally got a response from him on 7/7/2016 and I was actually shocked that he wrote back but it shouldn't of taken 6 days. He had responded that he put a notice out on Facebook on 4/27/2016 saying that he was no longer taking orders and that he was burnt out of the resin aftermarket business. He also mentioned that orders have turned into nightmares for him now. I understand that he wants to get back to his own builds. He also stated that what started out as a sharing activity for 1/16th scale enthusiasts. blossomed into a full part time business endeavor that he no longer enjoys.

He did mention in the email that he had no excuse for the time issue and that he needs to resolve it right away.\, saying that he will put together an engine right away. He Claims that his records show that I ordered 1 Donovan and 1 Big Block chevy engines and that he has been paid accordingly. Well  right there I knew that was wrong because in my email trails I specifically stated that I wanted to order 2 Donovan Engines and then after he gave the price of them with shipping (($76.00 total.... $35.00 for each engine and $6.00 shippiing). I had told him that I would get a money order out to him. I told him great I want them then a few days later I asked him if it would be any trouble to add a Big Block Chevy and a set of the Arias Heads and Valve covers to the order. Prior to this he had given me a quote on the big block check ($35.00) and the Arias Heads and Arias Valve covers ($12.00). So almost a month goes by and I still didn't hear anything on a total for all of that. I got tired of waiting and I just decided to get a money order for the total of everything which was $123.00 and I think I may just of made it $125.00 to give a couple extra bucks in case shipping was more. When I sent the money order out I am pretty positive that I put a small note in the envelop with the money order that stated what it was for. I know i did it back when I had ordered a 392 Injected motor with a couple of sets of Headers from him. On 12/13/2013 He had said in an email that he got my money order.

So back to his email. He also stated in the email that he sent me 2 BBC engines, one to complete my 1/2 of my original request and a second for my stagecoach wheel stander project (gifted to me for no reason). When I received those 2 engines 10 months ago I got 1 427 Big Block Chevy kit and then there was also the Arias Chevy Kit. I didn't quite know why I got 2 Big Block Chevy kits because I knew that I ordered the Arias Heads and Valve covers as extra parts because I didn't know which way I wanted to build the Big Block Chevy. So my mindset when I got them I thought maybe he was being nice since I waited 2 years for them that he just decided to send the rest of the engine for being patient.

He also said that because of the time involved here let him know if haven't got the correct info and that he would proceed immediately on getting the Donovan engine done and mailed asap minus the high rise manifold he was going to do for it. He also said that he "didn't mean to be an A$$, but with your drafting skills why do you need to order any resin at this point in your building skill level?. Which I will say ticked me off a little bit because if I want to order resin from someone and support the hobby I will.

So on that same day (7/7/2016) I wrote Mark back telling him that I appreciated him getting back to me. I told him that I have been off of Facebook for almost 2 years so I never saw his notice but that someone mentioned to me that he was taking a break from selling. I also wrote letting him know what I had ordered and then I showed dates of what things I ordered and I even took screen shots of the emails to show him how I wanted 2 Donovan Engines, 1 Big Block Chevy engine and the Additional Arias Heads and Valve covers. I had thanked him for getting back to me and wanting to make things right.

Now 4 days go by before I get any response back from Mark and I heard back on 7/11/2016 and he says that okay, 2 Donovan engines are underway and asked if I wanted the Donovan Heads and Valve covers since he had a couple versions of heads and valve covers and to also send pics of the engine from the car these are for so he can match up the parts as close as possible. Then he says "Did we ever make an arrangement for payment"???  When I saw that I was thinking he was off his Rocker because I had Sent him $123.00 for all of this stuff 3 years ago. There is no way I am going to pay for the Donovan Engines twice and feel he was trying to get more money out of me when he said that about the arrangement for payment.

On that same day on 7/11/2016 I responded to that email  Telling him that I send the $123.00 to him 3 years ago and again I attached the screen shots of the emails. I don't want to bore you with all of the little details. So needless I say its been 5 days now with out any response and I am still waiting to see if he will email me back and what he says on the whole payment thing. I will be honest depending on how he responds because I have no clue what he is thinking with what I responded. My thoughts are that either he will only send one engine or maybe he will make it right and send two or if he emails me saying No I am only doing one. Then I will have no choice but to post the screen shots of all of the emails and show everybody here what was said and if I get a warning or kicked off here I won't care one bit. Part of this is just frustrating, If people communicated and let me know whats going then I am good with it. Ignoring emails and not getting back to someone is just rude and I get it that life does get busy but is it that hard to say "Hey got your response I just have been busy with things and I will get back to you soon. I would be ok with that, with no response in 5 days makes me feel like it doesn't matter to him. Heck maybe he has already gotten the engines molded and sent out and possibly doesn't want to respond to me and just be done with this. I haven't a clue But I will keep everyone posted on if I get a response or the engines show up.

 

 

 

[cobraman]

Communication is key in resolving a problem. My story is a bit different in that only 15 bucks is involved. I just hit the 5 month mark with this guy and sent another email asking where my tires are and when can I expect them. No response as of yet but in view of the fact that my first 4 emails garnered no response I guess I really don't expect one. I am at a loss as to why people operate this way.

[SfanGoch]

All fine and dandy, Chris. You neglected to mention one thing. Do you still have a receipt stub from that money order? That is proof of payment. You could contact the money order issuer, give them the M.O. number and they can inform you when it was cashed. Otherwise. you're wasting time with this story. If you hadn't received the goods that you paid for, the most important thing to have is that receipt. You should have secured it  so you would have proof. If you didn't keep it, you're screwed. Your word against his. That's the way things roll. Telling us doesn't mean a thing.

[Codi]

Good morning Chris.   Wow, that is some update.  For those of you following this thread, go back to my last post wherein I stated, "I have better things to do".  I feel very bad for Chris (or anyone who goes through such nonsense).  I do think something seems odd about Marks replies to Chris.  He stated that on Facebook he was "done casting" and burnt out etc.  I'm not on Facebook so I wouldn't know either, just like Chris.  As a reminder, after Ted Bowe cancelled my original order with Mark after a month of waiting, Mark contacted me within days telling me he'd ship asap if I would just pay via Paypal.  Pretty quick to ask for an order & payment from me considering the comments about being "burnt out" etc. on resin casting via Facebook.  Doesn't square.

Chris, if this helps you out and you can be a little patient with me,  I'll ship you the Donovan I got from Mark when I'm finished.  If there are pieces I've machined to date that you can use immediately, then I'll ship them off asap.  That being the oil pan, girdle, block, valley cover & heads.  I'll do the valve covers in the next week or so and could send them as well. The manifold is not the high rise as you're aware.  The blower and other components like that you could source from TDR / Shapeways or others as I know you are quite resourceful or if you can wait as I make progress, I can send them as I complete my Donovan.  Let me know.

My only thought regarding the post by Joe (SfanGoch) is that ANYONE ordering on-line should have and use whenever possible, Paypal.  They don't mess around and since they are such a popular payment method, most REPUTABLE vendors won't risk their reputation and or business by such stunts.  It's a shame that a mans word isn't what it used to be.  The old adage "buyer beware" still holds true today unfortunately.   Cheers, Tim

 

[MrObsessive]

What Tim just posted is quite true and relevant. PayPal is pretty much the way anyone should go these days when buying something online. Some cringe at that as they don't like paying over the 'net, but in today's world with a lot of hucksters out there, it's a good way for having at least a digital trail. You get emails from PayPal (I keep mine in a dedicated folder on my system) and you have a trail of when the transaction was fist made, to how long it's been since you've been waiting. 

I especially like PayPal's "Pay after Delivery" system where they don't charge your account for two weeks after you've made the transaction. Not everyone though has that option through PayPal.........foreign sellers for instance mostly do not.

I recently had a similar incident on eBay where I bought something through PayPal, and I never got it. I was patient as I waited something like three weeks for this guy to follow through, but all I kept getting were promises to ship but the item still never showed up on my doorstep.

I filed a complaint with PayPal, and within a couple days I got my money back, and this character had his account yanked off of eBay.

Like it or not fellas, that's the world we live in today.............

 

[crazyjim]

Paypal has a time limit to file a claim and I know that from experience.  I used Paypal to pay for a tubbed chassis from unReliable Resin which advertises X weeks for shipment.  Whatever X weeks is, is beyond the time limit Paypal sets.  They'll do nothto help out. However, the Better Business Bureau, and states attorney, are wonderful.

[cobraman]

I used paypal for my transaction as well but as Jim pointed out there is a time limit.  I believe 30 days no ?

[crazyjim]

I don't remember what the time is/was, Ray.  Who was your transaction with?

[SfanGoch]

You have 45 days from date of purchase to file a dispute with PayPal. Any vendor who has an extremely long wait time for his products shouldn't charge for the product until it's ready for shipping and should provide a tracking number as soon as it is shipped. PayPal-affiliated vendors know about the time limit. They also know what the consequences are if PayPal agrees with the purchaser. Don't pay for anything with a M.O. unless you intend on maintaining the receipt for your records. That means for at least five years. If keeping paper records is too much of an inconvenience, use plastic.

P.S.

I don't conduct business with any company whose owner doesn't consider it a full time job. If you can't devote 100% of your attention to your business, you're not serious enough to get my money.

[Mooneyzs]

All fine and dandy, Chris. You neglected to mention one thing. Do you still have a receipt stub from that money order? That is proof of payment. You could contact the money order issuer, give them the M.O. number and they can inform you when it was cashed. Otherwise. you're wasting time with this story. If you hadn't received the goods that you paid for, the most important thing to have is that receipt. You should have secured it  so you would have proof. If you didn't keep it, you're screwed. Your word against his. That's the way things roll. Telling us doesn't mean a thing.

Joe... You are right that I haven't mentioned anything about the money order stub and what I haven't told any of you is that I have been searching and tearing my house apart looking for it. I have found my two previous Money order stubs that I ordered  from Mark, when I ordered the 426 Hemi that is in my funny car and then I got a 392 Injected Hemi for another project. And is it my fault for misplacing the Money Order stub for this transaction, yes it is my own fault and since it was 3 years ago so I don't remember exactly where I put it but I will continue to look for it in hopes of finding it. I had no issues with those previous orders and they were filled promptly which I didn't have to wait very long to get. I know that the Money order stub is my proof of payment. Prior to posting any of this on here I also already knew It was going to be my word against his word and I knew I was going to be screwed. I went back and forth about if I should share my experience here or not and after my friend Tim (aka Codi, Look above on this page) went thru I decided I wanted to share my experience with everyone. You will notice on page 1 that I mentioned my issue but I didn't say anything as to who it was. I Have already chocked it up as a loss and that I won't get my engines. But when he tells me that His records show that I ordered 1 of this motor and 1 of that motor. I know he is completely wrong because I have all of the emails that him and I have ever exchanged and that Right there is my proof as to what was said and ordered. I find it funny that you say that I am wasting my time with this story and telling you guys it doesn't mean a thing. Well to me it does, it lets others know by word of mouth to be careful when ordering from any resin caster out there and if you want to take that risk that is your right. I also know for a fact that I am not the only one that he owes engines too. I am not going to name and names how I know or who they are for because its not relevant here but he owes a good Dozen engines to someone. At this point in time I can only blame myself for not contacting him sooner and I shouldn't of waited so long. And yes I had to learn the hard way. My whole purpose of the past few emails back and forth with Mark is to see if he will be a stand up guy and get me my stuff. I have sent him screen shots of all of emails that I have regarding these engines and I know what I have shows I ordered something different than what he stated to me. I have no reason to lie about what was ordered and I have no issues showing the screen shots of the emails. It all depended up on Marks response to my latest email which he still hasn't responded to which was almost a week ago now. 

In all Honesty it's not about the money at this point but the principle that I ordered a product that I haven't got and if I get the product great. If not well I will never do business with him again and will tell others to be careful if they want to because that is their choice

I also see people stating to use paypal when ordering. To be honest I would of back then if Mark would of taken it then but he didn't. He only took money orders back then. I use Paypal when ever I can, its much more convenient and you can look up when you ordered items. 

Joe... also thanks for the last post you made stating the 45 days to file a dispute as to I didn't know how long a buyer had to do that. I have to agree if someone can't devote the attention to their business then they shouldn't be selling their product.

[SfanGoch]

Chris, your story doesn't mean a thing in the sense that you haven't received any satisfactory result from your dealings with Mark Johnson. All he's doing is blowing smoke up your patootie. I always make sure to keep copies of any M.O.'s, if that was the only payment option, just because something like this could happen. I've experienced the "I never received your payment" spiel. It takes very little time and effort to find out if that was the case, especially if you purchased a USPS M.O. USPS M.O.'s are the best and safest; additionally, you don't have to pay a search fee required by some privately owned financial institutions. Plus, there's nothing worse than screwing with the government when it comes to money. 

Yeah, he stated was getting burned out with the casting hobby, blah, blah, blah. Gee, that's too friggin' bad. You should have thought about that before accepting further orders. That doesn't excuse him from fulfilling outstanding orders, or refunding the money if he can't/won't. It's one or the other, Chief. There's no middle ground in that equation. Remember the line (paraphrased) from "Goodfellas", "Don't have my stuff? Ef you, pay me!" That's the attitude you need. Don't listen to sob stories or other tearjerking pleas for understanding some useless stronzo's predicament. He had no problem accepting your money under those circumstances. Don't give anybody the advantage by letting them turn the tables on you and make it look like they're the victim. In my neck of the woods, that'd earn you a pair of broken kneecaps, at the very least, if you attempted to run that B.S. on a shylock who loaned you money in good faith.

PayPal is great; but, paying via a bank issued credit/debit card straight up is better insofar that you have a lot more time in which to file a dispute. If enough disputes are filed by card users against a particular vendor/retailer, the card issuers will revoke his ability to process credit/debit transactions and effectively shut him down. He might even be prosecuted for credit/mail fraud. 

In all Honesty it's not about the money at this point but the principle 

Money and principle are not mutually exclusive of each other. That's what commerce is based on. 

Edited July 17, 2016 by SfanGoch

[Mooneyzs]

Joe... I am sure that my story doesn't mean a thing to anyone on here because it doesn't affect anyone but me. I never posted my experience to make people feel bad for me, I just don't want others to go thru what I have gone thru is all. Oh I know for a fact that smoke is being blown up my A$$. I already admitted to you that I made the mistake of misplacing it.I should of scanned the M.O. and placed the receipt of it in a safe place. I is an expensive learning lesson but I can't change the past, Today is today and yesterday is already gone. 

You are completely right about him saying he was getting burnt out. If that was the case why did he continue to take order's and peoples money then. But it sure wasn't a problem for him to be selling at local shows from what I had heard. You know a while back I did feel bad for him for some of the life circumstances but not no more I really don't really feel bad at all. He is the one that put himself in this position. I will say this which I have mentioned in a previous post. The biggest thing that has bothered me now is the lack of communication and how he hasn't responded to my email I sent him a week ago> Give me a break who doesn't check their emails for a week. I know for a fact that he has to of seen it already. It's possible that he doesn't want to deal with me and just maybe he has already gotten the engines poured and sent out but I won't believe that until I see them arrive, If they even arrive.

[SfanGoch]

What I wrote has nothing to do with you at all. I wasn't referring to your postings as a sob story. That's how his correspondence to you comes across. I was telling you not to allow him to turn the situation around to where he appears to be a victim of circumstances. You need to take control of the narrative. You are the one who got "the business" in spades. He walks away with your money, plays victim and you end up with ugatz. That is the situation. That is the only thing I feel bad about. I personally don't care, and neither should you, about personal problems used as an excuse as to why I haven't gotten what I paid for. "Going through some rough times? Really? Gee, that's tough. I hope all turns out well, pal. IDGAFF. Is my stuff ready to be shipped?" You have problems? Simple. Shut down your side job, stop taking people's money if you have no intention to fulfill orders in a timely manner and don't reopen until you get your head straight. 

I've never dealt with this bum (only a bum would take payment for goods/services with no intention of fulfilling his end of a contract) and he's pissing me off, man. Cashing that M.O. and not sending those items was absolutely unethical and criminal in nature. That's theft. The fact that he would raise the question of whether you paid for the stuff sucks even more. It's like when you loan someone money on the promise of getting it back "soon". "Soon" turns into a real, long time. You don't want to ask for your money because you don't want to offend the guy. That's what he is banking on. Then, when you have decided enough is enough and confront that individual, he feigns being offended because you are questioning his integrity and then starts laying on with sob stories to make you feel bad for trying to get back your own money. Don't fall for any of it.

I probably come across as a cold hearted a-hole; but, you know what, that's the way real life is.