Lovefordgalaxie Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr
Lovefordgalaxie Posted June 29, 2016 Author Posted June 29, 2016 Few more: 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Ford: Old X New. by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr
espo Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 Another great Ford build. I know how much you love these cars so I just never thought I'd see you distress one. It could be the before and after restoration.
Renegade Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 Nice rust and weathering. Another pair of great builds.
Harry P. Posted June 29, 2016 Posted June 29, 2016 Why is everything on the chassis of the "beater" except the gas tank and the exhaust pipes red oxide? If that's supposed to be weathering, it's not very convincing. How did the pipes and the gas tank escape the weathering process??? Besides, I like the clean one much better!
Lovefordgalaxie Posted June 30, 2016 Author Posted June 30, 2016 Why is everything on the chassis of the "beater" except the gas tank and the exhaust pipes red oxide? If that's supposed to be weathering, it's not very convincing. How did the pipes and the gas tank escape the weathering process??? Besides, I like the clean one much better! Well, let me explain. On the underside of a car that sat outside for a long time, things tend to get the same color, a mix of rust and good old dirt, as most roads way back when were dirt. A modern car would have more a grey-ish tone underside, and without that much mixture of corrosion and gunk, most parts would show the original color. On a car as old as this 1957 Ford, parked on the outside for that long, the original color of parts is long gone. To make this build I used as example a 1973 Ford Galaxie LTD Landau that was parked by a barn for the last 32 years. The car was brought back to life a few years ago, and all the underside was the color I painted the old '57. The new '57 has red oxide primer on the underside, and it's a lot darker. On the old '57, a few visible parts had to be replaced to make the car run and drive again. The gas tank, the fuel pump, the exhaust, the shocks, the belts, the hoses, the battery, the tires, the brake master cylinder, the radiator cap, all parts that are intentionally new. Other parts, like a rebuild on the carburetor, a complete brake job, maybe some wheel bearings, some wiring... Would not necessarily show.
Spex84 Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Very cool builds! I like them both. Lots of cool little touches (saggy seats?) on the weathered version.I think the undercarriage of the "old" version is pretty convincing actually...looks a lot like the uniform, lightly textured rust that a desert car develops, coated with a thin skim of gravel road dust. This is the kind of car that would be billed as "Desert car, superficial rust, great floors with only a couple small patches needed...very restorable!" Of course, all the rubber and weatherstripping would be totally shot, haha.
Lovefordgalaxie Posted June 30, 2016 Author Posted June 30, 2016 Very cool builds! I like them both. Lots of cool little touches (saggy seats?) on the weathered version. I think the undercarriage of the "old" version is pretty convincing actually...looks a lot like the uniform, lightly textured rust that a desert car develops, coated with a thin skim of gravel road dust. This is the kind of car that would be billed as "Desert car, superficial rust, great floors with only a couple small patches needed...very restorable!" Of course, all the rubber and weatherstripping would be totally shot, haha. Weatherstripping? What weatherstripping?? Thanks, you got what I wanted to do. This is a picture of the underside of the '73 ford that was parked outside for 32 years:
Lovefordgalaxie Posted June 30, 2016 Author Posted June 30, 2016 That's not red oxide... that's gray. I don't know where you got the red oxide from Harry. The model is more brow with some subtle reddish brown and oily gray on some areas, like the transmission. Red oxide is darker. Maybe the picture is not showing the correct color. You are not seeing this on a Mac are you? Macs hate me for some reason... Every time I deal with one it breaks.
CometMan Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Two more outstanding models from your bench, Tulio!!
Harry P. Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 I don't know where you got the red oxide from Harry. The model is more brow with some subtle reddish brown and oily gray on some areas, like the transmission. Red oxide is darker. Maybe the picture is not showing the correct color. You are not seeing this on a Mac are you? Macs hate me for some reason... Every time I deal with one it breaks. I have a Mac, but my monitor is an Acer, and color corrected (remember, I do all the magazine layouts, so I have to see color correctly!). I see a chassis that's all flat dull red, and sorry, but I'm not buying that as a "correct" weathered look... unless the car was driven only on red clay roads! An all gray look would have been more realistic, but all red? Nope.
Lovefordgalaxie Posted June 30, 2016 Author Posted June 30, 2016 I have a Mac, but my monitor is an Acer, and color corrected (remember, I do all the magazine layouts, so I have to see color correctly!). I see a chassis that's all flat dull red, and sorry, but I'm not buying that as a "correct" weathered look... unless the car was driven only on red clay roads! An all gray look would have been more realistic, but all red? Nope.OK Harry. One day I'll show you the underside of my Galaxie, will put the model side by side her, and you will understand. Remember, the picture taken of the '73 Ford was with a old Sony Mavica, and with flash. Remember, the car I copied was used in South America, on dirt roads that were mostly brown clay. At least, did you like the other one? It has a mirror!! And has no seams on the bumper chrome!! (thanks on that tip Harry).
slusher Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Great job on the new 57, the weathered 57 looks good except the chassis ...
darthsideous Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 This is cool I've never seen a contrast like this before.
charlie8575 Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 While it might be a bit over-uniform, although I suppose it could depend on the soil, I'll actually go along with Tullio's weathering. Around here, everything turns to rust except the galvanized (or in a lot of newer cars, plastic,) gas tank, and the color does get pretty uniform underneath- all the undercarriage and floors end up dark reddish-brown rust, and the exhaust and gas tank are more dirty/speckled rust. Stuff in constant motion, like spindles, stay clean of rust, but will darken as great and heat affect the porosity and color of the metal.If the soil in Brazil is really sticky, I could see a good film of it underneath the car happening.I really like them, both. Charlie Larkin
Lovefordgalaxie Posted June 30, 2016 Author Posted June 30, 2016 Great job on the new 57, the weathered 57 looks good except the chassis ... Thanks Karl!! This is cool I've never seen a contrast like this before. Thanks!! While it might be a bit over-uniform, although I suppose it could depend on the soil, I'll actually go along with Tullio's weathering. Around here, everything turns to rust except the galvanized (or in a lot of newer cars, plastic,) gas tank, and the color does get pretty uniform underneath- all the undercarriage and floors end up dark reddish-brown rust, and the exhaust and gas tank are more dirty/speckled rust. Stuff in constant motion, like spindles, stay clean of rust, but will darken as great and heat affect the porosity and color of the metal. If the soil in Brazil is really sticky, I could see a good film of it underneath the car happening. I really like them, both. Charlie Larkin Thanks Cherlie. You know, I usually hear with great attention what Harry has to say, and try to follow his tips, like I've done a lot of times. By doing that, I improved my modeling a LOT. Nevertheless, Other than my main job, I also work on old cars, Fords to be precise, and I'm doing this for more than 20 years. I'm almost giving up on Engineering to just work on cars. During all this time I had my quota of cars parked for a long time, and or driven on countryside, and I'm confident I copied the looks of the underside of those cars quite well. Conditions here are quite different from what you see in the U.S. There is no snow, and there is lot's of clay powder on the roads. Reddish clay. Also there is the fact of people here used to pulverize the car's underside with ATF to "rust proof it". There is no real protection on that, in fact the ATF was great to damage rubber parts, but man, that stuff was great at making dirt to stick to the underside of a car. In the '70s the tendency changed from ATF fluid to mamona oil (vegetal oil) and things got worse. Some cars I have to literally scrap a layer of dirt with a spatula before being able to actually work on some parts. So, even tough I respect Harry, and value his insights, When I build another weathered car, it will be the exact same color on the underside. Mostly brown, with darker spots on places where oil would leak, some reddish spots on the exhaust system, and that's about it. Other cars I did almost the same: 1957 Chevrolet Bel Air Restored Model Kit by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr 1957 Chevrolet Bel Air Restored Model Kit by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr This one is a 10 year old car. A 1957 Ford back in 1967: 1957 Ford Custom Tudor by Túlio Lazzaroni, on Flickr
peekay Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Great looking duo!(Australian cars look like that underneath.)
Helix Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Nice pair Tulio! Yeah what Peekay said, Aussie cars do look like that underneath.....especially if you work on a Iron Ore mine
DRIPTROIT 71 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 These are great!!! The radiator in the old 57; "Spot on!"
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