chrysler "cross ram?"

[randx0]

I believe this was available in the early 60's ,and I think it looks cool and would like to incorporate into a project or 2 . how are these plumbed and where would the throttle cable go /be routed to the firewall?could you realisticly put this type of setup on a later style engine like a hemi,or what engine block would be appropriate that has a little more detail than original kits?what years was this setup available and in what cars,also how many different model kits came with this set up?could they be set up with different carbs like newer or race carbs?I saw a this set up on a street rod once and thought it was cool and different but I didn't take any pics. any help info or ideas for this setup will be appreciated. oh yeah I have one complete engine with this set up but it is kind of a glue bomb. I also have a couple extra of the cross rams themselves but have no idea what carbs go on them or how they really look in the stock configuration . I really want to put them to good use

[george 53]

Rand,No pics,but I'm assuming your talkin about the Chrysler 413/426 wedge Cross Ram.They were an option on the big letter series (300) and some S/S cars. If I can remember,(I'm an ol sh8t) they were available like 60 thru 64.Cant be used on any other engine as they were intended only for the RB series(413,426 wedge,440).I saw a few of these set ups back in the day,an I was told they ran pretty hard. the carbs were Carter or Rochesters,and sat over the opposit cylinder head for a Ram effect an to keep the hood line low. the linkage really looked like a set of squashed monkey bars springs,an linkages,an more springs.Look like a mess to try an sincronize the carbs.But they were dropped by around 64/65,cause proggress caught up with em and made them obsolete... I'm sure alot of the older guys remember em too an can give better descriptions.Hope this helped.

[Harry P.]

Lots of good reference photos here:

http://public.fotki.com/wackydave/cars_-_v.../engines/mopar/

[samdiego]

Geez, no kiddin'. A treasure trove of excellent engine shots. Is there a site like that for interiors?

The May'08 issue of Hemmings Classic Car has a black '61 300 on the cover. Good article for history and a few good photos.

Edited April 21, 2008 by samdiego

[randx0]

thank you guys so much for the info I got enough to at least get the ball rollin. In three responses I got a brief history ,perfect pictures of stock and hot rodded engine and even some inspiration on other subjects. now thats what I call efficacious. I am refering to the long ram ,am I correct in assuming I can put these on the 426 in the lindberg dodge 330 kit?because I have three sets of the long rams and need to find the correct block to put them on. or at least close enough to fake it . I am by no means a rivet counter but I do like to keep it close.is the engine in the ala cart kit the same engine? what about the 58 belvedere or the 57 300 c,or can you think of any other kits like didn't the 50 ford have a chrysler in it or is that the merc I seem to have forgotten what came with what.also I assume that these pieces that I do have came from the revell 62 kits. perhaps I will dig the rams out and get some pics. one more thing this looks like a fun engine to detail as it looks like a little will go a long way plus most of the visible detail is right on top of the engine instead of being hidden by a huge air cleaner.

[george 53]

Rand ,the cross ram was only on wedge type engines.No hemis.Those used the short staggered carb type intake.You could fake it with a 383 block since in 25th scale you couldnt tell the difference.But you cant put the CR intake on a hemi cuz they simply never came with one.But ,heck it's your car an you CAN do what ever you want!Call it "artistic license"An frickem if they cant take a joke!

[george 53]

Oh,yeah,the 49Merc (AMT) came with a 440 as the optional engine.

[Phil Patterson]

Oh,yeah,the 49Merc (AMT) came with a 440 as the optional engine.

The JoHan 68 Chrysler 300 came with a set of optional cross rams. I believe they were also in several older Chrysler JoHan kits as well, though those would be more expensive and harder to find. I swapped a set out of that kit onto a JoHan 62 300 kit sometime ago, looked pretty good but you have to be careful of fenderwell and hood clearance.

[randx0]

rats Harry's link doesn't work anymore.

[george 53]

Randy, stead of clickin on Harry's thread, just try typein in that http// thingie. Maybe that'll woik!?!?

[Zoom Zoom]

rats Harry's link doesn't work anymore.

It was easy to find the new link. It's still there, but renamed.

Mopar Engines

[george 53]

Thanks for the link Bob. Rand, the pics you want are at photo 26(i THINK, the prints awful small)thru 31

[randx0]

Thank you again for your input and finding a link to those pics , which I don't recall the ones at the very end being there before so bonus

[whale392]

The long ram (Sonoramic Commando) was 1961-63 on the 413 wedge engines. The 426 wedge of 64 got the short ram intake for Max Wedge applications and a 4bbl for street applications.

[whale392]

Also, 1958 only, you could get 2 4bbls atop the Mopar 350 (yes, Mopars first 'B' engine was a 350cid...next year it went out to 361 cubes).

[SoCalCarCulture]

Here's the link to all my pics - if you look around you'll find lots of info and lots of other engine pics!

350,000+ images.

SoCalCarCulture's Images

[Craig Irwin]

Modelhaus repops the JoHan 413 long-ram in resin, you can get all you want.

[Longbox55]

Everyone's getting the 413 and 426 Long Rams but y'all are forgetting about the '60 and '61 383 Super D-500, Golden Sonoramaic, and Ram Charger (De Soto) engines, which also used the Long Ram intake.

[CAL]

Everyone's getting the 413 and 426 Long Rams but y'all are forgetting about the '60 and '61 383 Super D-500, Golden Sonoramaic, and Ram Charger (De Soto) engines, which also used the Long Ram intake.

And you could adapt it to others. I know a guy who had a 69 Dart with the long cross rams on it with a 440, which might have been from the 383, I don't recall now. I do recall he had to have some custom adapter plates made and he had to cut holes in the inner fenders for the carbs to fit. It was mostly just a showboater.

Edited January 4, 2010 by CAL

[Crusader]

AMT/SMP early 60s Imperial Hardtop also had the crossram in it.

[CAL]

if you are looking for ideas on doing something different with the intake there is alot you can do. alot of the aftermarket crossram intakes were two piece with a separate top. i know there was one for Mopar engines that allowed single 4-barrel and 3-2 barrel carb set-ups. you could go with 4 or even 6 Strombergs on a crossram intake if you get creative. you could also do some mechanical or electronic fuel injection with single port throttle body type deals where the carbs would normally go. if you know drag racing stuff there were some mechanical injectors called "the flying toilet" that would be a cool set-up on a crossram.

Dave

I remember the Flying Toilets mostly on naturally aspirated alcohol apps

Looked like a blue anodized toilet.

[Chuck Most]

I remember the Flying Toilets mostly on naturally aspirated alcohol apps

Looked like a blue anodized toilet.

"Flying Toilet" ha! Isn't that what they called the faux spare on the decklid of many late '50's and early '60's Mopars? How much do you reckon heavy use of hallucinogens played into that design?

I've been eyeing that Ross Gibson Sonoramic 426 for a while- I'd originally inteded to use one in my Little Red trucster, but cobbled one up from strips of kit exhaust pipes instead. This is a very cool intake setup, and would be perfect for a hot rod model.

[CAL]

i only remember seeing the Flying Toilets on rails, never on any doorslammers. it looks very much to me like the old twin port Hilborn injectors from the 60's but separated into two.

there is a picture in a book i have of a crossram intake on a T-bucket with the top modified to hold three Weber carbs. that looks like a very cool set-up!

Dave

We had a couple doorslammers running alcohol through a TB!

[randx0]

It was easy to find the new link. It's still there, but renamed.

Mopar Engines

You callin me stupid?just Kidding I always love when you "show" people how easy this magic computer thingy is to use .I just hope I wasn't dumb enough to make the ignore user list

[randx0]

Man the ideas are flying everywhere thank you this is very informative, inspiring and fun keep them coming i am sure I'm not the only one enjoying while I learn.