Sebring 12 Hours 1964 Proposed group build thread

[250 Testa Rossa]

I really want to do the restored version of the #11 Cobra (which also ran Daytona that year) and also the restored version of the #12 Cobra. Not sure if that's against the rules though. 

[absmiami]

This will require a rules - variance - the rules commitee will hold a special meeting today …

[absmiami]

The following info has been requested by the rules commitee - what colors are the restored cars - could you post a photo please ?

[Misha]

 

On 12/29/2023 at 6:18 AM, MarkJ said:

Great save on the orange peel. That's why I brush paint. You don't have to worry about orange peel, blushing or runs, with a bristle brush. And you don't have to clean the airbrush. A job I really hate doing. You have to sand and polish, but you have to do that to an airbrushed model, unless you are a wizard at airbrushing. 

Thanks Mark, Last night sprayed what maybe the last colour coat on the body. Have laid it aside to cure for a week. Brushing large areas such as bodies has usually led to brush marks and thick layers. I admire your brushwork and was wondering if you have posted a thread ? on your process? The great advantage to an airbrush I find is laying down colour in scale. Clean up isn’t an issue as I have gotten used to my Pasche VL double action that I have used from day one, some fifty years ago now. Recently added an Iwata Eclipse for finer work, beautiful precise construction, better than the excellent VL. 
 

On 12/29/2023 at 8:32 AM, Phildaupho said:

Great post Misha - Your MGB is going to look fantastic on the grid.

Thanks Phil for looking in! I can almost see the light at the end of the tunnel. What remains are the small fiddley bits that require time and patience, especially with fitting sub assemblies. 
 

Regarding the grid…

On 9/6/2022 at 3:10 PM, absmiami said:

OK  -  thread just opened 10 days ago

very encouraged by response to date

this is what I've got so far - but I think I've missed one or two 

was someone committed to doing an Alpine ??

field of over 60 - both started and entered - so lots of choices left !

everyone's got plenty of time  to complete their entry - deadline is not til march 2024 

so who else is in ??

see page 1  for some/a few additional rules  -   

    1964 Sebring 12 Hours

TEAM AND MAJOR PRIVATE ENTRIES:

Shelby Cobra team

    #1 Cobra    Pierre / PR
    #12 Cobra/Bondurant   vamach / Rex

Shelby Daytona Coupe prototype

    #10 abs/miami / me

Corvette Grand Sport team

    #3   PR / Pierre DONE!  On the starting grid

Corvette Sting Ray team

Ferrari 275 and 330 P team

    #23 275P Ace / Bill ???

Ferrari 250 GTOs  

    #32 250 GTO   Ace / Bill
    #82 250 GTO   Randy D / Randy D

Porsche 904s 

    #37 904   Gramps / Gary

MG B team

    #48 MG B     Misha / Misha

Alfa Romeo Giulia TZ team

Alpine team

    ???

Team Lotus - Elan, Cortina, Elite

    #57 Elan   RC / Rich

Entered / No Shows

    Ford GT40
        no number   RC ???

Mel Kiper’s best remaining:
 
#4  Grand Sport / Penske
#14 Shelby Cobra / Hill 
#20 Lola Mk6 /Augie Pabst
#22 Ferrari 275P race winner  -  note  -  this selection will require a build w engine detail  [sorry]
#59 Ford Lotus Cortina / Clark 

Would it be possible Andrew to have an update on what is already on the grid, which are still WIP and are there some significant entries remaining to be spoken for? Thanks.
 

This morning was spent constructing one shoulder belt! Getting the hang of it, now to fashion a matching one for the other side, the rest of the five point will be a snap ?. I was wondering if five point belts were used in 1964?

 

Wishing all a happy & safe New Year’s Celebration!
Cheers ? Misha

Edited December 30, 2023 by Misha
Grammer

[absmiami]

Not a chance - but that looks mighty good - the rules commitee is already down at the pub for tomorrow nite -

so you get a variance for a five point belt - by default -  

[Misha]

8 minutes ago, absmiami said:

Not a chance - but that looks mighty good - the rules commitee is already down at the pub for tomorrow nite -

so you get a variance for a five point belt - by default -  

Thanks Andrew, Actually if we’re sticking with lap belts, so much the better as I don’t need to complete five! Overall this does reflect an issue with visual references that tend to be contemporary shots of restored vehicles with added features to comply with current regulations. This has certainly been true with the MGB build. I see the intent of our builds as representing the cars on the grid as they appeared in March, 1964.

Cheers Misha

 

 

[Misha]

Over the New Year weekend I decided that the body colour was complete and time to pull off the masking for the stripe. Pleased with the quality of the Tamiya tape in leaving a sharp and distinct edge. (I did apply another white coat before beginning with the body colour to seal the tape and prevent bleeding.) A quick mock up with the interior looks fairly decent. 

Moving on to detailing the remaining parts, the photo etched exhaust clamps were formed using my new P/E tool making the task easy. 

Upon enlarging the passenger side photo the light mounted to illuminate the meatball appeared to be the small round housing and not the license plate light provided in the kit. I recalled that years ago I came across a selection of cast metal rally accessories. Checking the parts department I located the  bits which included a sprue of the correct lights, bingo!

Also worked on the taillight assembly, first colouring the clear lenses with clear red enamel from behind and then fitting them onto the chrome housing. While most of the kit displays smart sprue attachments, the housing has the attachment right at the top tip that will require a paint touch up before installation. 

It’s slowly coming together now, looking forward to the completion!

 

Thanks for checking in, 

Cheers Misha 

[absmiami]

Yup

[MarkJ]

Beautiful.  The interior is really eye catching.

[Phildaupho]

More than fairly decent - very decent !!

[Misha]

2 hours ago, absmiami said:

Yup

Thanks for checking in Andrew! This is a great thread, yet I was curious about the number of entries are still under construction or built?

2 hours ago, MarkJ said:

Beautiful.  The interior is really eye catching.

Thanks Mark, since the photo was taken lap belts with hardware, shifter and boot have been installed, as has the top of the dash. The helmet is from the 63 Vette and has had the visor thinned closer to scale and the sharp helmet edges rounded to improve realism. Another great find in the shop was P/E helmet hardware in scale and featuring a realistic texture !

This maybe from an armour or figure kit, fortunately it’s in scale with the 1:25 helmet. The exterior helmet hardware is in the top left corner.

2 hours ago, Phildaupho said:

More than fairly decent - very decent !!

Thanks Phil! I’m on the road to actually completing a build, getting better with that aspect. My eye is already roving to see what appears on the bench next… do have that 1953 Victoria WIP, and a holiday gift to start with the new Datsun Z (Nissan Z..) in a BRE scheme. I also began my Deuce Days 2025 entry during the holidays, settling upon a Woody built upon the Dan Fink version. 
 

Cheers to all & Happy New Year ? 

Misha

Edited January 3, 2024 by Misha

[absmiami]

Frame assembly on the number 10 Conra Daytona Coupe

A dunk in very hot water relaxes the resin fr suspension briefly - and its now sporting spindles that are correctly aligned - then glued to the frame - followed by the lower susp arms …

[MarkJ]

Great job on the frame, Andrew. So, the resin has no memory after you unwarp it, not that it matters once you get the parts attached to it. Great tip on the resin.

[absmiami]

Thats right - the resin has a tendency to - er - what was the question ??!

[absmiami]

The transmission is braced - but because i lengthened the frame - because i lengthened the bonnet - i had to make a new brace - and remove the old one … and make a longer trans-axle …

[absmiami]

Most of the frame and drivetrain is flat, semi, or gloss black - but i noticed on Simeone’s website that the trans-axle case was sort of metalic red - the leaf springs and the u-joints were painted with various shades of old-stock Testor’s Metallizer lacquer paints - air-brushed and brushed … I’ve chosen Tamiya semi-gloss black for the frame … that’s a guess - 2287 - could have sported a gloss black frame in it’s early race career …

[absmiami]

Tamiya masking  tape used to mask the windshield when i painted the body - months ago - l left it on because i didn’t want to handle or damage the enamel paint finish - so i left it on and forgot about it - removed it last night and got away with it — no damage to the clear resin windshield - was probably lucky - but its another reason to like Tamiya masking tape …

[Rattlecan Dan]

Will my entry be accepted? I didn't see it on the list. #8 Corvette/Cheetah. Thanks.

[absmiami]

Yes, Rattlecan …

And a COMPLETION DEADLINE CHANGE - The deadline is extended to March 16 - which is the date of this year’s race - so we all have two more weeks to make the starting grid - 

[absmiami]

Chassis pan - painted Alclad aluminum and then Tamiya flat black - but i masked the surface of the driving compartment - it appears unpainted on the Simeone 2287 …. The underside is weathered and scuffed up - after an adventurous debut at Daytona - the botrom of 2287 was probably worse than this …

[absmiami]

The engine has to be mounted to the frame before the frame is glued to the chass pan - so it’s on to the engine - which is nicely detailed … the steering rack casting is flimsy but fits well - think it will look fine if its carefully painted … 

[absmiami]

The engine in 2287 is black - no Ford factory colors - later Cobra Daytona Coupes may have been different - dont recall … i can post some good pix of the un-restored engine bay of 2287 … 

[absmiami]

26 minutes ago, absmiami said:

Yes, Rattlecan …

And a COMPLETION DEADLINE CHANGE - The deadline is extended to March 16 - which is the date of this year’s race - so we all have two more weeks to make the starting grid - 

Just re-read my post - which is grammatically unfathomable - we have nine more weeks - altogether -  to make the grid …

[MarkJ]

Andrew, really some awesome work you have going on here with the chassis. Interesting that the engine was black on this car. These cars were so simple in design, and it doesn't seem like safety was one of their big concerns back then. 

[Misha]

• I join in with all the comments on your build Andrew! Constructing a Daytona coupe completely out of resin is a challenge that you’re succeeding in achieving a highly detailed replica of the car. 

10 hours ago, absmiami said:

Chassis pan - painted Alclad aluminum and then Tamiya flat black - but i masked the surface of the driving compartment - it appears unpainted on the Simeone 2287 …. The underside is weathered and scuffed up - after an adventurous debut at Daytona - the botrom of 2287 was probably worse than this …

 

I also join in the notion of the builds to reflect their state at the time, so your weathering approach on the chassis works really well. 

 

Nine weeks, Oy vey! A bit shorter for me as heading to AZ is nearing and I need to finish this one in a few weeks.  

 

I had quite a time applying the red decal stripes as they broke in two spots on the trunk and once on the hood.  A couple of touch ups tomorrow when all is dry, then the meatballs. 

 

Here’s a shot of the completed interior, minus the helmet (it hides a bad spot on the drive tunnel).  

That’s it for tonight…

Cheers Misha