Will we be seeing the AWB F-85 Olds Cutlass drag kit this year?

[66c10]

Pre-order is in being of November for this kit from Round 2

[GMP440]

13 hours ago, 66c10 said:

Pre-order is in being of November for this kit from Round 2

  That's good news.  Looking forward to this one.  Thanks for the update.

[dragsterguy]

Looks like many people want this reissued. I hope without the 64 olds kit engine.

I must point out though that the "Judson" superchargers are total fiction, never existed!

Judson's were small blowers for British sports cars, 60's triumphs, MGS's and even VW. They never were that large, never run on a drag racing Olds! The (I guess ) The Webers are from the moon too. Never saw carbs made to angle like these. The chevy in the AMT AWB is a better choice, but a Revell SWC Olds is still better.

Lots of good 64 Cutlas models with these goofy "Judson" blowers.

 

[Mr. Metallic]

maybe the mods might want to combine all these under one topic?

 

[stavanzer]

1 minute ago, Mr. Metallic said:

maybe the mods might want to combine all these under one topic?

 

Yes, Please combine them.

[tim boyd]

On 10/14/2024 at 8:23 PM, dragsterguy said:

I must point out though that the "Judson" superchargers are total fiction, never existed!

Judson's were small blowers for British sports cars, 60's triumphs, MGS's and even VW. They never were that large, never run on a drag racing Olds! The (I guess ) The Webers are from the moon too. Never saw carbs made to angle like these. The chevy in the AMT AWB is a better choice, but a Revell SWC Olds is still better.

Lots of good 64 Cutlas models with these goofy "Judson" blowers.

 

I'm not sure this is entirely correct.  I vaguely recall seeing 1/1 scale dual Judsons on an American OHV V8 engine in one of the hot rod mags, but I have no idea specifically which issue or title.  You may be entirely correct on this, but let's keep the subject just cracked slightly open (as opposed to slammed shut) in case one of us runs across printed proof of what I think I saw in print back in the day.  

Completely agree with you on the Webers, as I also recall seeing (in the same issue???) that the Webers were mounted perpendicular to the ground, not at a 45degree angle as in the AMT annual kit. 

As for the Streaker kit, it shares the Chevy Big Block that is in the AMT 1965 Chevelle AWB/AFX kit. 

Thanks...TIM

 

[dragsterguy]

"As for the Streaker kit, it shares the Chevy Big Block that is in the AMT 1965 Chevelle AWB/AFX kit. "

Yep, correct. I meant however, the GMC blower or a fuel injection setup. THAT is what was run back then. Or 4 Bl carbs.

I LOVE the AMT awb kits, but they are not really accurate or realistic except the bodies ( and those can be so.so. Depends on how realistic you want to be, or to put it another way, how much work do you want to put into re engineering them Just the round tube chassis is....well, you decide

There are exceptions to every rule I guess, but I can't see any of these cars passing NHRA tec !  I have several Olds awb types on the bench but figure they all will have Olds motors. Seems like that's the point! I see lots of models built that don't really resemble anything in the real world, not a problem! Sounds like fun, who cares. They are just models! Build whatever you want! As do I. Realistically the Olds was pretty much done for by 65 as a nitro engine, but they are cool and match the make I'm building. As a teen in the 60's I blew a buck on a NHRA rule book, I'm actually pretty familiar with the rules, what worked and what didn't.

As for the Judsons, I thought maybe I'm wrong, but i sure can't find any such things on anything but small foreign motors. Google away kids! A look at their advertising reveals VW's. British cars and a Mercedes. Just aren't seeing it, never have in my 72 years! Lots of weird contraptions at the drags, but never that. I see giant blowers on flathead Ford models  that wouldn't run two minutes on a real car. So what? Look at the AMT 63 Chevy 2 wagon rear engine kit. The engine is solid mounted to the rear while using leaf springs Huh? See any problem there? If that doesn't bug the builder, it doesn't bug me. But it does bug ME to build it. I just can't. not criticizing others, but simply expressing myself! I could go on and on but why? Build what you want guys! Have fun! THAT is the point.

 

Edited December 12, 2024 by dragsterguy

[tim boyd]

20 minutes ago, dragsterguy said:

"As for the Streaker kit, it shares the Chevy Big Block that is in the AMT 1965 Chevelle AWB/AFX kit. "

Yep, correct. I meant however, the GMC blower or a fuel injection setup. THAT is what was run back then. Or 4 Bl carbs.

I LOVE the AMT awb kits, but they are not really accurate or realistic except the bodies ( and those can be so.so. Depends on how realistic you want to be, or to put it another way, how much work do you want to put into re engineering them Just the round tube chassis is....well, you decide

There are exceptions to every rule I guess, but I can't see any of these cars passing NHRA tec !  I have several Olds awb types on the bench but figure they all will have Olds motors. Seems like that's the point! I see lots of models built that don't really resemble anything in the real world, not a problem! Sounds like fun, who cares. They are just models! Build whatever you want! As do I. Realistically the Olds was pretty much done for by 65 as a nitro engine, but they are cool and match the make I'm building. As a teen in the 60's I blew a buck on a NHRA rule book, I'm actually pretty familiar with the rules, what worked and what didn't.

As for the Judsons, I thought maybe I'm wrong, but i sure can't find any such things on anything but small foreign motors. Google away kids! A look at their advertising reveals VW's. British cars and a Mercedes. Just aren't seeing it, never have in my 72 years! Lots of weird contraptions at the drags, but never that. I see giant blowers on flathead Ford models  that wouldn't run two minutes on a real car. So what? Look at the AMT 63 Chevy 2 wagon rear engine kit. The engine is solid mounted to the rear while using leaf springs Huh? See any problem there? If that doesn't bug the builder, it doesn't bug me. But it does bug ME to build it. I just can't. not criticizing others, but simply expressing myself! I could go on and on but why? Build what you want guys! Have fun! THAT is the point.

 

Good point on the Chevy BB induction system...the prototype Round 2 showed at the NNL Motor City last month did not have a blower scoop cutout on the hood, so that would seem to rule out the blower alternative.  Here's a photo of he buildup shown there....

 

As for the bodies of AMT A/FX AEB kits, I always felt that they cut corners by not moving the front axle/wheel well cutouts forward on the bodies, as they did for the rear axles/wheel wells. 

Also, couldn't agree more with your last statement that we should build what we want and have fun.  YESSS!!!  Tb  

[milo1303s]

Not every track ran by No Hot Rods Allowed rules !!! 

Just sayin lol!!!

[dragsterguy]

Posted 45 minutes ago

  1 hour ago, dragsterguy said:

"As for the Streaker kit, it shares the Chevy Big Block that is in the AMT 1965 Chevelle AWB/AFX kit. "

Yep, correct. I meant however, the GMC blower or a fuel injection setup. THAT is what was run back then. Or 4 Bl carbs.

I LOVE the AMT awb kits, but they are not really accurate or realistic except the bodies ( and those can be so.so. Depends on how realistic you want to be, or to put it another way, how much work do you want to put into re engineering them Just the round tube chassis is....well, you decide

There are exceptions to every rule I guess, but I can't see any of these cars passing NHRA tec !  I have several Olds awb types on the bench but figure they all will have Olds motors. Seems like that's the point! I see lots of models built that don't really resemble anything in the real world, not a problem! Sounds like fun, who cares. They are just models! Build whatever you want! As do I. Realistically the Olds was pretty much done for by 65 as a nitro engine, but they are cool and match the make I'm building. As a teen in the 60's I blew a buck on a NHRA rule book, I'm actually pretty familiar with the rules, what worked and what didn't.

As for the Judsons, I thought maybe I'm wrong, but i sure can't find any such things on anything but small foreign motors. Google away kids! A look at their advertising reveals VW's. British cars and a Mercedes. Just aren't seeing it, never have in my 72 years! Lots of weird contraptions at the drags, but never that. I see giant blowers on flathead Ford models  that wouldn't run two minutes on a real car. So what? Look at the AMT 63 Chevy 2 wagon rear engine kit. The engine is solid mounted to the rear while using leaf springs Huh? See any problem there? If that doesn't bug the builder, it doesn't bug me. But it does bug ME to build it. I just can't. not criticizing others, but simply expressing myself! I could go on and on but why? Build what you want guys! Have fun! THAT is the point.

 

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Good point on the Chevy BB induction system...the prototype Round 2 showed at the NNL Motor City last month did not have a blower scoop cutout on the hood, so that would seem to rule out the blower alternative.  Here's a photo of he buildup shown there....

 

As for the bodies of AMT A/FX AEB kits, I always felt that they cut corners by not moving the front axle/wheel well cutouts forward on the bodies, as they did for the rear axles/wheel wells. 

 

I agree, but for AMT and all the kit makers the point was put out some funny car kits ASAP. I I remember correctly these kits came out in 67, well into the real world fc craze! Look at the improvised Revell FC kits using existing parts! Except for the hideous slicks, MPC was the one that got it right! I went out of my mind for the Color Me Gone Charger kit. Then the Cougars! LOL Would you drive a "real " AMT awb cars? The Falcon hoods are wrong, I don't care I use them anyway. BUT! They do have the "look". All of them do, but the Olds is far less realistic. but then I never got the appeal of many very popular and successful model  kits that shall remain nameless.

My silly fictional back story for my topless Olds is a stolen gutted body purchased by a racer and placed over his AA/GS car chassis parts and  Olds motor to  get appearance money at the strip. That was the plan for most racers! Get paid, win or lose! Just show up! Make some money! Body and sponsored by a local Olds dealer. A field filler.

There were some strange funny cars the, and certainly some death traps. I'd have t put the AMT kits and especially the Olds in that category.

Indecently, the other Olds I have in the works ae-re The Johann 62 f-85, two other 64 Cutlass's coupes and a 67 442. Maybe I'll even finish one!

[dragsterguy]

• This has nothing to do with the Olds kit except it defiantly  would be included in this weirdo category if it had been built. Thought some might enjoy this slice of the 60's world of funny cars! Mods, delete if inappropriate! Sorry for the ridiculous ads!!!

Edited December 12, 2024 by dragsterguy

[Muncie]

15 hours ago, dragsterguy said:

 

• My silly fictional back story for my topless Olds is a stolen gutted body purchased by a racer and placed over his AA/GS car chassis parts and  Olds motor to  get appearance money at the strip. That was the plan for most racers! Get paid, win or lose! Just show up! Make some money! Body and sponsored by a local Olds dealer. A field filler.

 

 

I've been thinking that very thing for the last couple of years.  There was a brand new Oldsmobile dealer close to the grade school that I went to.  They were good to some of the kids and gave them dealer stickers to patch holes in the seat of their Stingray bikes.  That dealer only lasted a couple of years.  The AMT Willys chassis is close to the right wheelbase.  In a quick tryout, it looks like the interior tub only needs a couple of simple modifications to fit the Willys frame.

[ChrisBcritter]

14 hours ago, dragsterguy said:

• This has nothing to do with the Olds kit except it defiantly  would be included in this weirdo category if it had been built. Thought some might enjoy this slice of the 60's world of funny cars! Mods, delete if inappropriate! Sorry for the ridiculous ads!!!

Now I see where Revell got the idea for that '62 Dodge dragster! At least they didn't cut up the Imperial or Newport...