Hyundai has gone too far against "right to repair"; spread the word

[Ace-Garageguy]

 

[Jim N]

This is sad.  These manufacturers are doing everything they can to take ownership from the consumer.  The consumer buys something and then becomes totally reliant on the manufacturer for any repairs.  Then they set up the gatekeepers and the other intermediary companies so that money is transacting between parties.  This is all to make it so that when a legislative body finally wakes up to the problem, there is too much money being made and legislation is impossible, or if passed, is so weak it does nothing.  The end result is that the consumer always gets hosed.

[thatz4u]

One more car NOT to buy..

[meechum68]

Oh look a car I had no interest in, and now have no interest in. I'll stick to my old 1980-90's trucks.  

[Brutalform]

What’s next? They gonna make it unlawful to buy a used vehicle? Wouldn’t surprise me one bit. 

[SSNJim]

2 hours ago, Brutalform said:

What’s next? They gonna make it unlawful to buy a used vehicle? Wouldn’t surprise me one bit. 

It's been tried before. If memory serves, the recording industry had a fit over second-hand CDs. 

[Rodent]

I didn't have much respect for Uncle Tony to start with, but the things he said about NASTF were somewhere between uninformed and outright ignorant. They are definitely on the side of the independent repair shops and locksmiths. ETI (Equipment and Tool Institute) as well. Without their support and lobbying, and work with the manufacturers, independent repair shops wouldn't be able to work on newer cars, and "smart" keys would be dealer-only items.

I understand secure gateways, but I am a little surprised that Hyundai didn't supply a hack to retract the rear calipers without a scan tool. Most cars with electric parking brakes have a sequence of some type that puts the calipers in service mode.

[sfhess]

9 hours ago, thatz4u said:

One more car NOT to buy..

For a lot of people, it's another reason not to purchase one.

[Ace-Garageguy]

11 hours ago, Rodent said:

I didn't have much respect for Uncle Tony to start with, but the things he said about NASTF were somewhere between uninformed and outright ignorant. They are definitely on the side of the independent repair shops and locksmiths. ETI (Equipment and Tool Institute) as well. Without their support and lobbying, and work with the manufacturers, independent repair shops wouldn't be able to work on newer cars, and "smart" keys would be dealer-only items.

I understand secure gateways, but I am a little surprised that Hyundai didn't supply a hack to retract the rear calipers without a scan tool. Most cars with electric parking brakes have a sequence of some type that puts the calipers in service mode.

Kinda funny how for all those decades prior to NASTF, all the service data was available globally, with no insane fees to access it, shortly after vehicles were released for production.

My bookshelves are groaning under the weight of countless sets of FACTORY manuals I bought for every kind of vehicle that came into any of my shops more than a couple of times before all this craziness began, and my scan tools are up to date as far as I can go without paying out stupid money.

The push against right-to-repair by manufacturers in the car industry is finally bringing the backlash to a head.

The latest move by Hyundai has sparked outrage across the web among people who are actually affected by this stupidity, and I'm one of them.

It's gone way beyond anything rational, parts are so moronically designed to unnecessarily interface with onboard computers that do NOTHING but add layers of complexity, cost the moon, and aren't available half the time anyway...

It's time for it to end. Period.

Owners of vehicles being prevented from doing basic repairs and maintenance on vehicles they bought and paid for is just plain wrong, and the exorbitant costs to smaller shops will drive many of them to the wall...in effect creating a repair monopoly controlled by the manufacturer's dealer networks.

EDIT: And IMHO, NASTF is just one more layer of useless, obstructionist complication. Nothing but another NGO "regulatory agency" with no skin in the game, positioned to acquire and hold on to power, while raking off bucks for doing nothing but getting in the way.

Here's one locksmith's opinion, and I rather doubt he's in the minority.

 

Edited Saturday at 02:08 PM by Ace-Garageguy

[RSchnell]

I deal with collision damage everyday at work. While I seldom stray into the new car(post 2000) portion, when I do it amazes me all the calibrations & scans that need to be done on most modern vehicles. Pre-scan, in process scan, post scan, calibration front radar, calibration rear proximity sensors, etc etc etc. A bad wheel sensor can throw off the whole ECM and make it throw other codes that aren't even related.

Even my 2019 VW if I don't drive it much it'll throw a random code here & there. I work from home & all my shopping stores are within a mile or two of the house. I've found I need to drive it a few miles about once a week to keep the electronics happy. Just a good excuse to run down the beach to get a Cheesesteak sammich!

 

[maxwell48098]

So this guy is talking about replacing the rear brake pads on a Hyundai Ionic 5 electric vehicle.  I've worked in the automotive service retail and OEM business for 45 years, before retiring back 20 years. The vehicle mentioned is an Ionic 5,all electric vehicle going for somewhere between $50-$60,000.  My question, who/why replaces just the rear brake pads on any vehicles any more after spending that much money on the car to begin with?  What percentage of those buyers are DIY any more?

 

Has anyone considered the cost that the dealership service departments are required to spend on specialized diagnostic and repair tools, software and regular updates, as well as training every year to keep up with technology advances?  

 

A.J.

[Brutalform]

I get that the dealers must keep up with the diagnostic equipment and what not. But at my Nissan dealership, they want $250 just to plug the code scanner in. A little ridiculous IMO. Years ago before OBD 2 and 3, you could buy a scanner (actually a plug in cartridge) at the auto store, for $59. When all you really need to do is simply jump the terminals at the port. So there is some smoke and mirrors going on.