Harry P. Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Oh Come on, George! We were going to have Chardonnay, Brie and Arugula! SNIFF! Chardonnay I like (having some right now ... ). Brie? eh. Arugula? Too bitter. Guess you can count me out!
george 53 Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Ok, Night Train (or Mad Dog,whatevers cheepest)& cheese i get, but wats argula??? is that like a Ritz??? or Princles???
Harry P. Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Ok, Night Train (or Mad Dog,whatevers cheepest)& cheese i get, but wats argula??? is that like a Ritz??? or Princles??? It's salad, George! Green stuff. Just a fancy type of lettuce... it's what they put on the Big Macs in Beverly Hills...
george 53 Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Thanks Harry, THAT was gonna bother me! A bacon,argula an toe-MATO sandwich anyone????
Harry P. Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Thanks Harry, THAT was gonna bother me! A bacon,argula an toe-MATO sandwich anyone???? Geez, that's classy! But I think you would have to say "to-MAH-to"... and be holding your pinkie finger in the air while you say it!
Tommy Kortman Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Oh Man, I remember that mess. that got a boat load of people up in arms. There was even talk of starting an anti-Masters show being put together to be done on the same weekend. It would have been open to anyone "Not Chosen" to be in the masters event. They were going to call it the NOTCHO Nat'ls. I think that there was such an uproar from the modeling community at large, that the masters idea was just shelved. I remember at NNL East that year that this was a major topic. Everyone was talking about it. I always had one question about the whole masters thing though. If the show was only open to the "Best of the Best", who then was going to be qualified to judge the darn thing???
Harry P. Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 If the show was only open to the "Best of the Best", who then was going to be qualified to judge the darn thing??? Or even more to the point... exactly who gets to decide who "the best of the best" are? A handful of "master builders" in their own little self-contained bubble world hardly have knowledge of all the thousands and thousands of "master builder" level modelers out there who don't happen to be part of the "inner circle." For every "master builder" on their A-list of invitees there are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of "unknown" master builders all over the country that would never have received an invitation or a "recommendation" to be allowed to enter. A far better idea would have been an open invitation to everyone who thinks they have what it takes to compete at that level. Let the entrants themselves decide if they think they're worthy to participate, and may the best model win.
Jeff Sauber Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Oh Man, I remember that mess. that got a boat load of people up in arms. There was even talk of starting an anti-Masters show being put together to be done on the same weekend. It would have been open to anyone "Not Chosen" to be in the masters event. They were going to call it the NOTCHO Nat'ls. I think that there was such an uproar from the modeling community at large, that the masters idea was just shelved. I remember at NNL East that year that this was a major topic. Everyone was talking about it. I always had one question about the whole masters thing though. If the show was only open to the "Best of the Best", who then was going to be qualified to judge the darn thing??? That's a good question Tommy... The only name I can think of worthy of judging a contest like that, would be somebody like Gerald Wingrove or equivelent.
Tommy Kortman Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Or even more to the point... exactly who gets to decide who "the best of the best" are? A handful of "master builders" in their own little self-contained bubble world hardly have knowledge of all the thousands and thousands of "master builder" level modelers out there who don't happen to be part of the "inner circle." For every "master builder" on their A-list of invitees there are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of "unknown" master builders all over the country that would never have received an invitation or a "recommendation" to be allowed to enter. A far better idea would have been an open invitation to everyone who thinks they have what it takes to compete at that level. Let the entrants themselves decide if they think they're worthy to participate, and may the best model win. I wonder if there was going to be a secret handshake?
PatRedmond Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Oh Man, I remember that mess. that got a boat load of people up in arms. There was even talk of starting an anti-Masters show being put together to be done on the same weekend. It would have been open to anyone "Not Chosen" to be in the masters event. They were going to call it the NOTCHO Nat'ls. LOL. A few of us cooked up the NoCho Nats in Jim Drew's garage one year. It was just a lark, but ended up growing legs for a while. We even got license tags in scale made. All in all, The Masters Challenge seemed pretty elitist to us. I was obviously NOT on the list, but I know nine guys who were. NONE that I recall were interested.
arick Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Hey guys. mind if I stick my nose in here................ I'm fairly new to this site, but from what I've seen around here, we have some ###### fine people. What impresses me most is that members of this site come from all skill levels and they are always willing to answer questions and share their tips and tricks with the rest of us. Personally, I don't care if you're a Master (whatever that means) or a guy that builds model cars (now that has meaning), its all about fellowship in our hobby. Thats why I came to this site.
Harry P. Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Hey guys. mind if I stick my nose in here................ I'm fairly new to this site, but from what I've seen around here, we have some ###### fine people. What impresses me most is that members of this site come from all skill levels and they are always willing to answer questions and share their tips and tricks with the rest of us. Personally, I don't care if you're a Master (whatever that means) or a guy that builds model cars (now that has meaning), its all about fellowship in our hobby. Thats why I came to this site. Exactly!!! One for all and all for one, as they say. Park your ego at the door, pull up a chair and join in! "Invitation only" contests don't exactly extend the welcome mat to us all, if you know what I mean... just my humble, non-master level opinion...
Modelmartin Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 non-master level You said it! So why do you care then? I don't get why a whole lot of people who would not and CAN not compete at that level tear the idea down so much. It has nothing to do with them. Thousands and thousands of master level builders??? HUH??? Where? You need to get out and about a bit, Harry. There are maybe a few dozen at any one time who are active and competing. There are a lot of one-shot guys who build one crazy model and get burnt out and disappear. Life interferes with a lot of others. The timing for the announcement came at a bad time for the Ohio boys and friends of Jim Drew. I believe he had just lost out to Bruce Hamilton at GSL that year. Most opinions were that he was cheated out of a deserved victory. Bruce's car was certainly ugly and Jim's was stunning but at GSL it's craftsmanship over everything and Bruce's car was a Faberge Egg -an ugly one, perhaps. By the way, because the number of people expected to enter was small it was going to be entrant-judged. Each entrant was to do a judging sheet on every car but their own. A lot of work perhaps, but an interesting idea.
Harry P. Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 You said it! So why do you care then? I don't get why a whole lot of people who would not and CAN not compete at that level tear the idea down so much. It has nothing to do with them. Because we get to express our opinion here, that's why. I guess it's the idea of an "invitation only" contest that bugs me. It just sends out a bad vibe, and doesn't do anything to enhance comaraderie or fellowship or good feelings in the hobby. Obviously if people want to organize that sort of thing, they have every right to do so, regardless of what anyone else thinks, including me. Sort of like a private country club... if you're on the inside it's cool, if you're on the outside looking in it's not so cool... but it's still going to happen regardless of what the people on the outside think. I'm not saying that the organizers have no right to hold that sort of contest... I'm just saying I think it's a very bad idea. Since we're spouting opinions here, I'm just adding mine. I don't like the idea, I don't like the message it sends to the hobby in general. I think a contest... any contest... should be open to all comers. Let the entrant decide if they have what it takes to compete, and let the judges decide if their work was good enough to deserve an award. The whole "invitation only" idea...maybe you'll get to participate if someone "recommends" you... that whole thing just doesn't sit well with me at all. Again... that's my opinion. Opposing opinions (like yours) are just as valid.
Zoom Zoom Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 I was one of the people selected for the challenge, and anyone who knows me or my models knows I don't build the "soup to nuts" kinds of models that I believe they were striving to get from everyone. While flattered, I could see the flaws in the concept from the very start. I think it's a great idea to implement some how, some way...but this one didn't catch on as hoped & created a lot of conflict, whether the basis for the conflict was legitimate or imagined. I was wondering why I was included when some incredibly talented builders who do build the "soup to nuts" kinds of spectacular builds were not included, but later found it was easy to get them on the list. Long story short, it wasn't enough to get me to pony up for the challenge or try to build one of the "soup to nuts" kind of models for it. Not saying I never will attempt it, but I wasn't particularly moved by this particular contest, as I'd be much more likely to build something like that (or much simpler...) for the GSL, which to me is the premier model car contest in the world and where most everyone would agree is the best venue for the "best of the best".
Harry P. Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 If we are to take this equal, "all inclusive" mindset to it's logical extreme, then everyone that attends a contest deserves accolades & attention merely for attending! Nope, that's not what I said. I didn't say that everyone should get an award just for showing up. I said that anyone who wanted to enter should be allowed to enter... and let the judging separate the "best" from the rest... not the opinion of a select few who have decided up front who's "worthy" to enter their contest.
E St. Kruiser50 Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) Nope, that's not what I said. I didn't say that everyone should get an award just for showing up. I said that anyone who wanted to enter should be allowed to enter... and let the judging separate the "best" from the rest... not the opinion of a select few who have decided up front who's "worthy" to enter their contest. GEEZ - I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA . OUR PRIVILIDGES, AMONG OTHERS, IS TO LEGALLY CHOOSE WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO AND INCLUDE OR EXCLUDE WHOEVER WE WANT, FOR WHATEVER REASON. Now people may not like it, but that's their problem, as long as the Constitution is still relavent. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY SUCH THING AS FAIR, BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINION OF THAT, AND IT ALWAYS DIFFERS WITH SOMEONE ELSES. Funny how people complain about government control and socialism coming, and yet they try to practice socialism right here by wanting to limit peoples rights and choices as to what they should be allowed to do. THE SAYING USED TO BE - I MAY DISAGREE WITH YOUR CHOICES, BUT I STAND BEHIND YOUR RIGHT TO MAKE THEM - NOT TRUE ANYMORE OUT OF PEOPLES SELFISHNESS . THERE - NOW I THINK I'LL GO HAVE PIZZA . GUESS MAYBE SOME OF YOU BETTER DECIDE WHICH WAY YOU WANT IT. That being sais - I LOVE THIS PLACE Edited December 1, 2009 by Treehugger Dave
Scott Colmer Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Did you guys forget the Best of the Best contest that the late great Bob Paeth put on? It was based on a playoff format. In order to qualify a car had to win best of class or best of show at a previous contest. That allows anyone who enters contests to play. The model is the star, not the builder. Don't you remember Joel Derrinbererg's "Shark" Vette? It won the first time. I am not sure who judged it, but that should be a consideration if they ever do it agian. Now, getting all the entrants to the same spot....well better pack them tight if you can't fly along. Scott
Harry P. Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Did you guys forget the Best of the Best contest that the late great Bob Paeth put on? It was based on a playoff format. In order to qualify a car had to win best of class or best of show at a previous contest. That allows anyone who enters contests to play. The model is the star, not the builder. Scott I like that idea! That makes good sense.
E St. Kruiser50 Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Did you guys forget the Best of the Best contest that the late great Bob Paeth put on? It was based on a playoff format. In order to qualify a car had to win best of class or best of show at a previous contest. That allows anyone who enters contests to play. The model is the star, not the builder. Don't you remember Joel Derrinbererg's "Shark" Vette? It won the first time. I am not sure who judged it, but that should be a consideration if they ever do it agian. Now, getting all the entrants to the same spot....well better pack them tight if you can't fly along. Scott We, SABA, still do the "BEST OF THE BEST AWARD IN MEMORY OF BOB" - It's called the BOB PAETH BEST OF THE BEST AWARD, and we do it at the PORTLAND ROADSTER SHOW. This'll be the second year of that part of our contest, and has been received very well.
1320wayne Posted December 1, 2009 Posted December 1, 2009 Did you guys forget the Best of the Best contest that the late great Bob Paeth put on? It was based on a playoff format. In order to qualify a car had to win best of class or best of show at a previous contest. That allows anyone who enters contests to play. The model is the star, not the builder. I am not sure who judged it, but that should be a consideration if they ever do it agian. Scott The judges were Bob Robinson, local Portland builder with an incredible talent for building, Mike Carroll, the late Andy Kallen and Bob Paeth himself. I also believe that Jim Keeler was involved but I'm not sure. For that time you probably couldn't go wrong with that kind of talent base to determine your winers.
Modelmartin Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 Joel Derrinbererg's "Shark" Vette? Good try! Dirnberger. You're welcome.
Scott Colmer Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 Doh! Thanks Andee I think with enough publicity, Best of the Best could be a pretty big thing. Scott
Modelmartin Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 Doh! Thanks Andee Scott No problem, Skot!
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