Jairus Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Well said Art! Well said. (is this thing still being debated?)
sjordan2 Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) Just to confuse the issue: Here's a Bburago pre-built diecast (most of which is plastic, except for the body/frame part): The same model is available as an assembly kit version: I robbed the fenders from the pre-built version to add to the kit version. Where do we draw the distinction, really, about what's a model car and what isn't? Should the magazine cover the kit and not the pre-built? Edited May 23, 2011 by sjordan2
Jairus Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 The distinction from my point of view is not whether it is a 'model' or not... but did you build it or not! That is the question and because most diecast looks so beautiful right from the manufacturer these days... many people/builders/judges/individuals are hard pressed to know what is and what is not hand made by the person who entered the model or is posting it on the forum. Therefore, some chose to dismiss all 'diecasts' as not worthy. Art's post above explains this to a tee from another point of view: that of the 'scratch-builder'! A model car kit is not scratch-built, but when someone makes a wing and a spoiler for it he is indeed scratch-building bits and pieces of the final product which would not exist in final form with-out the extra effort. I guess it is all in the level of effort and skill that we see distinctions and bias.
sjordan2 Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 The distinction from my point of view is not whether it is a 'model' or not... but did you build it or not! That is the question and because most diecast looks so beautiful right from the manufacturer these days... many people/builders/judges/individuals are hard pressed to know what is and what is not hand made by the person who entered the model or is posting it on the forum. Therefore, some chose to dismiss all 'diecasts' as not worthy. Art's post above explains this to a tee from another point of view: that of the 'scratch-builder'! A model car kit is not scratch-built, but when someone makes a wing and a spoiler for it he is indeed scratch-building bits and pieces of the final product which would not exist in final form with-out the extra effort. I guess it is all in the level of effort and skill that we see distinctions and bias. I think you brought this thread back around to what seems to be closer to Terry's original observations, though I certainly will not try to speak for him. But it seems to me his thought is that there are other publications and resources out there that specialize in diecast cars, fine modeling of a wide variety of subjects, etc., and it would be better for Model Cars Magazine to devote its pages to the more specific subject of building model automobiles, mostly in kit form, which is how most of us participate in the hobby. I think that's very worthy of consideration, but since MCM is the only model magazine I read, I prefer a somewhat broader scope.
Harry P. Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 I think you brought this thread back around to what seems to be closer to Terry's original observations, though I certainly will not try to speak for him. But it seems to me his thought is that there are other publications and resources out there that specialize in diecast cars, fine modeling of a wide variety of subjects, etc., and it would be better for Model Cars Magazine to devote its pages to the more specific subject of building model automobiles, mostly in kit form, which is how most of us participate in the hobby. I think that's very worthy of consideration, but since MCM is the only model magazine I read, I prefer a somewhat broader scope. Terry's original point is well taken, and I se what he's saying (although I disagree with his premise)... but I agree with you that MCM should (and does) cover a wider range of model cars besides just injection-molded plastic kits.
Romell R Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 I wont bash anyone here or even give my opinion (well maybe slightly) I will say that I for one am glad that MCM isnt so narrow minded as not to want to show differant forms of modelling. I once had the editor of another magazine (scale - - - - Magazine) tell me that the readers of his magazine would not be interested in the kind of models I build, to make a long story short the same model was featured here in the pages of MCM issue #154. Because MCM and its staff believe in showing good models. Not in demographics. Thx MCM
Foxer Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 I guess it is all in the level of effort and skill that we see distinctions and bias. Here, here
Harry P. Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 I wont bash anyone here or even give my opinion (well maybe slightly) I will say that I for one am glad that MCM isnt so narrow minded as not to want to show differant forms of modelling. I once had the editor of another magazine (scale - - - - Magazine) tell me that the readers of his magazine would not be interested in the kind of models I build, to make a long story short the same model was featured here in the pages of MCM issue #154. Because MCM and its staff believe in showing good models. Not in demographics. Thx MCM That's right, Romell. A good model is a good model, doesn't matter what it's made of. And my money is on the fact that most readers of MCM appreciate that. At least I hope so!
Jairus Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Good to hear Harry because I got a balsa wood sprint car kit I want to do a build up on....
Harry P. Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Good to hear Harry because I got a balsa wood sprint car kit I want to do a build up on.... Go J, go!
Dr. Cranky Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Rommell, buddy, that's happening more and more, which is why MCM is a more open source of inspiration . . . and it stays on top of different styles and movements within the hobby. The only thing keeping other magazines afloat is that they are bank-rolled by a huge conglomerate, so they can be exclusive in their boredom.
RodneyBad Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 My 2cents. I loved the issue, it was a redone diecast and the work that went into it could relate to any model building.... Now if we could get the diecast section to do some 1/24 scale stuff, not found in plastic, would be Just Dandy Awesome issue and I'll buy the next one too..
Chuck Most Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Guess I'll have to refrain from showing a buildup of my Massey-Ferguson trio... 1100 tractor, Model 10 garden tractor, and Ski Whiz snowmobile...
Danno Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 I gotta say I don't know what I am more impressed by, the fact that this thread has gone on for 10 pages & has remained completely civil or the fact that it hasn't been deleted because not everyone shares the same opinion as the moderator(s). Great job MCM board & moderators, this is how message boards should be! Yes, we're plowing new ground!
Foxer Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Yes, we're plowing new ground! I wouldn't mind an article on weathering a plow.
Harry P. Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 I wouldn't mind an article on weathering a plow. Plastic or diecast?
MikeMc Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Plastic or diecast? Check with Randy D to see if he did one in brass.....
Kit Basher Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 I wouldn't mind an article on weathering a plow. I can send you reference pics if you need them.
Chuck Most Posted May 24, 2011 Posted May 24, 2011 I've been thinking of building a 1:25 plow for a couple of years... maybe now's the time to pull the trigger.
Foxer Posted May 24, 2011 Posted May 24, 2011 I've been thinking of building a 1:25 plow for a couple of years... maybe now's the time to pull the trigger. .. just don't hit the plow if it's plastic. Diecast, you might get a realistic dent!
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