Lownslow Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Where else could they put it? Chevy has plenty of models, Pontiac, Olds and Saturn are gone...Buick is where the Opels go for NA.... i wouldve bought it if it came Cruze Wagon i think my next true 1:1 purchase will definetly be a retired 2011 caprice or a 2010 charger with the full brush guard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMc Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Trying to stay on topic so...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Cole Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) (with a hat tip to Mike... it took me a while to make this) Edited June 28, 2011 by Jon Cole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highway Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Trying to stay on topic so...... ....which is Eelco's bad driving, right!?!? If it has wheels, he will find a way to wreck it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Fords of Europe are real cars and nothing like is fostered on America. Yeah, we never got no 5 cylinder turbocharged 300hp RS Focus like they did across the pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lownslow Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Yeah, we never got no 5 cylinder turbocharged 300hp RS Focus like they did across the pond. if you can sneak one in from mexico youre golden but i think mexico only got like a limited number of them in the slime green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterC(MrMondeo) Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 if you can sneak one in from mexico youre golden but i think mexico only got like a limited number of them in the slime green. it dont make sence to me , Henry Ford was American , yet you miss out on the great Fords like the Focus RS, and the Focus RS500, and on the Beetle , its better looking than the last one, still a naff VW though ( sorry tree hugging Hippies ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kit Basher Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 in this modern day of blatant product placement, Britney Spears has a new Beetle in one of her music video's Britney and Beetle? Stee-rike Two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diymirage Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 in this modern day of blatant product placement, Britney Spears has a new Beetle in one of her music video's how much you want to bet it was paid for by the people over at toyota ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lownslow Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Britney and Beetle? Stee-rike Two! thats a infield out for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 it dont make sence to me , Henry Ford was American , yet you miss out on the great Fords like the Focus RS, and the Focus RS500, and on the Beetle , its better looking than the last one, still a naff VW though ( sorry tree hugging Hippies ) Even Going way back to the Ford Escort RS2000 Cosworth They say Ford EU is really treated like an entirely different company and really has no relationship to Ford Motor Company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danno Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Sorry... just not seeing anything at all 'agressive' about the new design. I mean, look at hose LED 'halos' around the headlamps, and that smiley face bumper. I think it's even girlier looking than the current New Beetle, which was a girly car to begin with! And from the side, it looks like a tall, stubby Porsche 911. I thought they were going to quit making these, anyway. Well, aparently Volkswagen forgot to check with you before they went and made trainloads of money off the New Beetle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom Zoom Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 They say Ford EU is really treated like an entirely different company and really has no relationship to Ford Motor Company. That is ancient history. Once Bill Ford handed over the reigns to Mulally they started to get smart. All Fords now will be shared globally. We finally got the Fiesta and Focus, and we'll get the hot varieties of them as well. The next Escape will be the replacement of the Kuga. The next Fusion will be the Mondeo, no more Mazda platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMc Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 Never heard of the Kuga....WOW!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 That is ancient history. Once Bill Ford handed over the reigns to Mulally they started to get smart. All Fords now will be shared globally. We finally got the Fiesta and Focus, and we'll get the hot varieties of them as well. The next Escape will be the replacement of the Kuga. The next Fusion will be the Mondeo, no more Mazda platform. Ford and Mazda have gone their ways. But the Mazda 6 was always on the Ford Fusion platform, not on a Mazda plate form and the Escape was on the same basic platform as the Fusion. I don't know of any recent Ford using a Mazda platform. Volvo was using the Mazda 3 platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Johnny Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Sorry guys but having worked on the "REAL" VW Beetles for many years I can never accept the new Beetle as a Beetle! The latest moving even farther away from the original! Like so many others in the past, they should have left the name alone after it was gone. Like the Last AMX or even the last GTO or Nova. When VW decides to put the engine in the rear where it belongs in a Beetle then they can consider it again! It was too special of a car to be resurrected in the form it was. Heck! Some of the hard core Beetle lovers don't even accept the Super Beetle as being a true Beetle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Johnny Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Actually it shows lack of imagination that rather than designing something new that really trips people trigger they keep reaching back to the "glory days" and try and capitalize on what was once a great moment in time! Sheer laziness any more with designers and manufacturing! We even see the same thing in movies and music! Rather than something new just rehash the old hoping to cash in on past successes rather than making their own! The imagination is gone. They all seem to be looking for the easy way to achieve! Waiting for the day of the 4.6 powered "new" Model T! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 sorry Johnny but that's just backwards thinking. the new Beetle and the "newer" Beetle are so much more car than those vintage ones were and then some. while vintage Beetles are cool in thier own respects they are also the ultimate in suckage when you compare thier issues and problems with the new ones that don't have any of those issues. i like old VW's and Beetle's and do think it may have been kind of cool for the new ones to have had the same rear engine set-up, but i don't think that it would have gone over or worked well in current times. i think that most buyers of the new Beetles are quite thankful that the cars are not really anything like the originals and have no interest at all in going back there again. Yeah, just try and tell Porsche that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Sheer laziness any more with designers and manufacturing! Huh??? Laziness? They practically re-engineered the whole car from top to bottom! New engines, new suspensions, new interiors, new everything! I don't see where the "lazy" part comes in. The new Beetle is light years ahead of the "classic" Beetle in every way you can possibly measure... power, performance, comfort, reliability. It's just a much better car. If it was "lazy engineering" that brought us the new Beetle, I guess I vote for "lazy engineers!" Maybe you prefer the next generation Ford Focus to go back to the Model T platform??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Porsche is pretty much the only one still producing a rear engined car that works and works very well in modern times. could VW have tapped that as a resource? sure they could have but obviously they didn't and it probably came down to money and that people really and truly don't care. would a new Beetle with a rear engine have outsold the FWD version? i doubt it, seriously. would it have performed better than the FWD version? again i doubt it. and if rear engined sports cars do so well for Porsche, why do we have the Cayenne and whatever that 4-door thing is? 64000 individual victories major victories Makes and Team World Championship 14 Long Distance World Championship 8 IMSA Supercar-Series 3 German Racing Championship 6 European Hill Climbing Championship 20 Formula 1 Driver-World Championship (McLaren with the engine designed and built by Porsche for TAG) 3 Formula 1 victories (McLaren with the engine designed and built by Porsche for TAG) 25 Formula 1 victories (together with the victory in Rouen in 1962) 26 Daytona (24 Hour Race) 20 IMSA Supercar-Race (USA) 15 Le Mans (24 Hour Race) 16 Sebring (12 Hour Race) 18 Targa Florio 11 Rallye Monte Carlo 4 Paris-Dakar Rallye 2 says you are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 and if rear engined sports cars do so well for Porsche, why do we have the Cayenne and whatever that 4-door thing is? Porsche wants to break out of the tiny little sliver of the market they have traditionally been confined to. Everyone else is selling SUVS... Porsche wants a piece of that pie, now, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) not really those are all racing victories, not a reflection of cars sold to the GP. not only that but Porsches, at least brand new ones arent really affordable by the majority of the general public either. i'm not bashing Porsche, i quite like them personally but you can't really compare the sales of 911's or versions of those to a car like the Beetle and it's sales or it's intended market. Not true, many of these car were offered to the GP or were the same car that you could buy off the show room floor. Even today if you want to buy a Porsche GT3 RSR you can. Edited June 29, 2011 by CAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom Zoom Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Not true, many of these car were offered to the GP or were the same car that you could buy off the show room floor. Even today if you want to buy a Porsche GT3 RSR you can. I think you completely missed his point; nobody questions the racing heritage, it's just that those Porsches on the showroom floor & racetrack are not accessible by the mainstream buying public. An economy car budget won't buy you that. The closest thing to an accessible economy car w/a rear engine is the Smart car, but it might be a rear mid-engine. Regardless, it's driving dynamics are far inferior to any modern FWD VW, regardless of size. As much as I despise the idea of the Cayenne and Panamera, they're making huge amounts of $$ for Porsche and that $$ is going towards making their sports cars better and better. The best driving Porsche isn't their fastest nor most expensive...the Cayman is probably the most "pure" Porsche you can get. And it's the best driving because it's a HT w/a stiff structure and mid-engine, not rear-engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shucky Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Its all about selling more cars. Since VW took over Porsche, its them wanting a bigger piece of the pie. The new Beetle has been a huge success and the new new Beetle has fixed much of what was wrong with the previous gen car. IMO the new iteration of the Beetle definitely is not as girly as the previous one. I'm guessing more male buyers will consider the new version whereas before they wouldn't give the Beetle a second look. Plus, the Beetle is basically a GTI with a different body/interior and is finally being offered with VW's outstanding 2.0T. Folks can say what they will about the Beetle, but I'm guessing many a male buyer will dip into the VW parts bin for S3 upgrades, ECU reflashes, downpipes, etc. and wind up with a sleeper 300+ hp car. Lets not forget VW confirmed the R variant of the Beetle for U.S. consumption as well. In closing, I like the newest version and think it will be once again a huge success for VW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMc Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 Huh??? Laziness? They practically re-engineered the whole car from top to bottom! New engines, new suspensions, new interiors, new everything! I don't see where the "lazy" part comes in. The new Beetle is light years ahead of the "classic" Beetle in every way you can possibly measure... power, performance, comfort, reliability. It's just a much better car. If it was "lazy engineering" that brought us the new Beetle, I guess I vote for "lazy engineers!" Maybe you prefer the next generation Ford Focus to go back to the Model T platform??? No need to...Factory Five has redone the '33...lookin quite fine with the modular motor in it And thanks to the engineering team that builds these.....I have ridden in both a FF cobra and the real deal... The FF is a lot more fun to drive!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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