Old Sprinter Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 The Indy 500 is greatest race, isn't it. It brought tears to my eyes ,a few years back, when I first went there for the 500. I've also been to Long Beach, Laugna Seca ( back in the day), Texas and PIR (again back in the day) for the Indy car races
Rob Hall Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 The Indy 500 is greatest race, isn't it. It brought tears to my eyes ,a few years back, when I first went there for the 500. I've also been to Long Beach, Laugna Seca ( back in the day), Texas and PIR (again back in the day) for the Indy car races The 100th was quite the event.. I want to go again..it's pretty incredible. I haven't been to Laguna Seca for a race, but went to it last year for the Porsche Rennsport Reunion...planning to go to the Rolex Reunion/Monterey Historics this year.
brad4321 Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Well, the lack of a US race and American drivers is certainly part of the problem why more people in the US don't follow it. I've been watching since the late '70s. One problem w/ F1 today is it seems the pole sitter usually wins...the dull Tilke tracks make overtaking difficult. I don't care for the artificiality of DRS either. I dont have any stats here but passing does happen frequently. Button came from dead last to win in Canada this year. DRS has actually grown on me. I dont find it artificial. The trailing car has an inherent disadvantage and this system allows a faster car an opportunity to overtake. It doesnt allow slower cars to pass or thus I would dislike it. As far the tracks, its a phenomenon we see in tracks, stadiums, golf courses, etc. The newer generation of designers seem afraid to design character or personality. Everything is so sterile.
martinfan5 Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 I dont have any stats here but passing does happen frequently. Button came from dead last to win in Canada this year. DRS has actually grown on me. I dont find it artificial. The trailing car has an inherent disadvantage and this system allows a faster car an opportunity to overtake. It doesnt allow slower cars to pass or thus I would dislike it. As far the tracks, its a phenomenon we see in tracks, stadiums, golf courses, etc. The newer generation of designers seem afraid to design character or personality. Everything is so sterile. Very true about the way things are designed, now for the race track side, I think one of the reason we have so many boring new 1.5 mile tracks built is there is more room for grandstands.
Rob Hall Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) I dont have any stats here but passing does happen frequently. Button came from dead last to win in Canada this year. DRS has actually grown on me. I dont find it artificial. The trailing car has an inherent disadvantage and this system allows a faster car an opportunity to overtake. It doesnt allow slower cars to pass or thus I would dislike it. As far the tracks, its a phenomenon we see in tracks, stadiums, golf courses, etc. The newer generation of designers seem afraid to design character or personality. Everything is so sterile. There is some passing, but not much...nothing compared to how it was 20-30 years ago. The races just seem so dull today, and the cars are long and ugly w/ tall noses. I know it's a lot safer, but the '80s were more fun to watch, IMO.. I like the classic European tracks, Montreal, Suzuka, Australia...most of the new Asian/Middle East tracks are pretty dull to watch, IMO...I particularly dislike the Singapore track..too much concrete. Edited January 24, 2012 by Rob Hall
brad4321 Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Very true about the way things are designed, now for the race track side, I think one of the reason we have so many boring new 1.5 mile tracks built is there is more room for grandstands. Possibly true. But Bristol sits 165,000. And Richmond sits more than many 1.5 milers. I think architects are afraid to be creative. They might offend someone. So they build stuff the masses will accept.
brad4321 Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 There is some passing, but not much...nothing compared to how it was 20-30 years ago. The races just seem so dull today, and the cars are long and ugly w/ tall noses. I know it's a lot safer, but the '80s were more fun to watch, IMO.. I didnt become a fan til about ten years ago. I would've loved to have seen the 60s-80's. What I do know is that F1 scratches me where I itch. I just absolutely love it - my fave sport by far. I dont find the races dull at all. Some much better than others yes.
martinfan5 Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 I know bristol and richmond have very large seating, I was guessing as to why, becuase the racing that the new 1.5 miles tracks that have been built have had very boring racing, but it could also be partly becuase of the COT as well.
brad4321 Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 I know bristol and richmond have very large seating, I was guessing as to why, becuase the racing that the new 1.5 miles tracks that have been built have had very boring racing, but it could also be partly becuase of the COT as well. I wish I knew why every single person who decided to build a track for about ten years there thought it should be a 1.5 miler. One is good. 2 or 3 is OK. But we now have far too many. I'd like to see a couple more road courses and short tracks. You cant beat Martinsvillie for great racing. I go to every race there.
bbowser Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) I wish I knew why every single person who decided to build a track for about ten years there thought it should be a 1.5 miler. One is good. 2 or 3 is OK. But we now have far too many. I'd like to see a couple more road courses and short tracks. You cant beat Martinsvillie for great racing. I go to every race there. X2! Bristol, Martinsville, N. Wilksboro, those are (were) great races. I think they're all trying to emulate Charlotte, but they'll never have the history behind them. Edited January 25, 2012 by bbowser
Harry P. Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Ok, I know this is not what traditionalists want... but how cool would it be to see NASCAR run on road courses? I mean all the time! No more driving in a circle for three hours... a real road course with actual left and right turns! Sort of like NASCAR meets F1. I think getting rid of the whole "we only drive in a circle" idea would breathe new life into NASCAR. I know that a circle track is what NASCAR is all about. But, hey... they've changed everything else from what NASCAR used to be. Why not make one more change? Just a thought.
SuperStockAndy Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) Sounds like a good idea, Harry, definitely would be more exciting. Maybe NASCARs on the Nurburgring! Edited January 25, 2012 by SuperStockAndy
martinfan5 Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Harry, I wouldnt mine seeing more road course's, maybe not all 36 race's on them though
brad4321 Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Ok, I know this is not what traditionalists want... but how cool would it be to see NASCAR run on road courses? I mean all the time! No more driving in a circle for three hours... a real road course with actual left and right turns! Sort of like NASCAR meets F1. I think getting rid of the whole "we only drive in a circle" idea would breathe new life into NASCAR. I know that a circle track is what NASCAR is all about. But, hey... they've changed everything else from what NASCAR used to be. Why not make one more change? Just a thought. I love the idea - at least more road courses. But when I chat with most Nascar fans, the word 'road course' brings boos and hisses. Many Nascar fans care little about the cars and the x's and o's of racing. They care more about the personal drama.
SuperStockAndy Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 While we're at it, let's make those boring drag racer's take a few turns! Trust me, it's not as boring as it might look to you.
SuperStockAndy Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Yup. I'll admit, I had no interest in it, then I went to my first race and I was hooked. It's also so much more fun if you're walking around in the pits rather than just sitting in the stands all day.
Harry P. Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 I love the idea - at least more road courses. But when I chat with most Nascar fans, the word 'road course' brings boos and hisses. Many Nascar fans care little about the cars and the x's and o's of racing. They care more about the personal drama. Yeah, I know. NASCAR is more about "personalities" than actual racing. It's more soap opera than sport, IMO. That's fine... it is what it is, and it has its fans. But I think putting a little more actual "racing" into it and a little less "show biz" would be a good thing in the long run. But hey, that's just one man's opinion.
martinfan5 Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Yeah, I know. NASCAR is more about "personalities" than actual racing. It's more soap opera than sport, IMO. That's fine... it is what it is, and it has its fans. But I think putting a little more actual "racing" into it and a little less "show biz" would be a good thing in the long run. But hey, that's just one man's opinion. I do wish there was lot less show biz in NASCAR, but a lot of that has to do with the TV networks that cover the race's. The TV networks focus less on the racing now a days, heck you watch any cup race, and you will be lucky if you see all the race cars during the race.
Craig Irwin Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Nascar is nothing but yellow flag, fuel mileage, pit strategy games in identical cars. Hasn't been racing for years.
Psychographic Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Real Racing! Now you're talking, only lets go one step better.
JustBill Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Now you're talking, only lets go one step better. You got that right!! Asphalt is for getting to the track, Dirt is for racing!!
mistermodel Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Nascar is nothing but yellow flag, fuel mileage, pit strategy games in identical cars. Hasn't been racing for years. A group of cars,or even just 2 trying to get to the finish line first sounds like a race to me.
Scale-Master Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Ok, I know this is not what traditionalists want... but how cool would it be to see NASCAR run on road courses? I mean all the time! No more driving in a circle for three hours... a real road course with actual left and right turns! Sort of like NASCAR meets F1. I think getting rid of the whole "we only drive in a circle" idea would breathe new life into NASCAR. I know that a circle track is what NASCAR is all about. But, hey... they've changed everything else from what NASCAR used to be. Why not make one more change? Just a thought. If they are going to run more road courses in NASCAR, (and I am all for it) I think they should disallow ringers like Boris Said and a few other big name road racers from running only those events. I have the utmost respect for those guys, but a ringer is a ringer. All drivers should run the entire season, all tracks to be eligible. Maybe some can't turn right too well?
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