Revell thinking about NASCAR again

[Harry P.]

Why the animosity Harry? If you don't like stock cars that's fine, but many do. They got me back in the hobby after a 30 year hiatus. Is it like the "good old days"? No, but then drag racing goes 1,000' and Indycars all run the same bodies. Times change. It is now and always has been about entertainment. Folks who don't like it vote with their feet and wallets.

No animosity. Just a dose of reality. See my first post in this thread.

[Roadkill2525]

Arguing Stock Car in NASCAR is like Sports Car in SCCA, they've both outgrown their original meaning but still hold value to those who attend the events.

[1320wayne]

No animosity. Just a dose of reality. See my first post in this thread.

Your reality is apparently not others. If your going to chime in at least have some knowledge about what you are putting down. This is great news, if it comes to be, for Nascar model builders everywhere and should be supported, not belittled.

[martinfan5]

l may be wrong but l really thought that nacscar kits had slowed down and the interest in them has faded over time. you just don't see them as much as in the past. l have nothing against them l have a couple older ones....

The reason why Revell stopped doing NASCAR kits was due to the licensing cost.

Edited July 27, 2012 by martinfan5

[sjordan2]

From what I saw in the paper today, Chevy indeed has more than a minor interest in the development of the Nationwide Camaro.

“Our team of Chevrolet designers and aerodynamic engineers did a fantastic job capturing the great looks and styling cues of the production Camaro, while providing our NASCAR Nationwide teams with a highly competitive aero platform,” said Pat Suhy, Chevrolet Racing Oval Track Group's manager.

“For the remainder of 2012, our engineers will be busy working with our Chevy teams on wind tunnel and on-track testing to fine-tune the car in preparation for next year. It will be great to see Camaro compete on the track against its showroom competition starting with the 2013 season opener at Daytona.”

There had been no indication that Chevy had changed its mind or that plans were in place to campaign the Camaro in 2013 until Thursday's announcement.

“We have been working on this new Camaro for over a year and I am excited to have it approved by NASCAR for 2013 competition in the Nationwide Series,” said Shane Martin, program manager for Chevrolet in the Nationwide Series.

Of course, that doesn't mean the Camaro is anything more than one that looks mostly like a street Camaro, and there are plenty of skeptics who recognize the inauthenticity of NASCAR entries (like Toyota's "Scamry"), as you'll see here...

http://www.cbssports...-series-in-2013

Edited July 27, 2012 by sjordan2

[Casey]

The reason why Revell stopped doing NASCAR kits was due to the licensing cost.

Has that now changed?

[Danno]

Has that now changed?

Licensing probably hasn't changed at all.

But, perhaps since it's been awhile since there were fresh kits and since the actual 1:1 cars have changed so much since the last series of detailed kits, maybe they're testing the waters to see if new tools would re-invigorate the genre. Perhaps.

I don't know ... I'm just sayin.'

[Guest Johnny]

NASCAR. National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing.

Time for a name change...

National Association of Same Car Auto Racing

[martinfan5]

Has that now changed?

I never said it did change, but what I know is that NASCAR has changed the way licensing is done, I dont know all the details about yet, or dont remember

[Danno]

NASCAR. National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing.

Time for a name change...

"Front Runner" if you will ...

National Association for Secret-identity Car Auto Racing.

[Guest Johnny]

From what I saw in the paper today, Chevy indeed has more than a minor interest in the development of the Nationwide Camaro.

“Our team of Chevrolet designers and aerodynamic engineers did a fantastic job capturing the great looks and styling cues of the production Camaro, while providing our NASCAR Nationwide teams with a highly competitive aero platform,” said Pat Suhy, Chevrolet Racing Oval Track Group's manager.

“For the remainder of 2012, our engineers will be busy working with our Chevy teams on wind tunnel and on-track testing to fine-tune the car in preparation for next year. It will be great to see Camaro compete on the track against its showroom competition starting with the 2013 season opener at Daytona.”

There had been no indication that Chevy had changed its mind or that plans were in place to campaign the Camaro in 2013 until Thursday's announcement.

“We have been working on this new Camaro for over a year and I am excited to have it approved by NASCAR for 2013 competition in the Nationwide Series,” said Shane Martin, program manager for Chevrolet in the Nationwide Series.

Of course, that doesn't mean the Camaro is anything more than one that looks mostly like a street Camaro, and there are plenty of skeptics who recognize the inauthenticity of NASCAR entries (like Toyota's "Scamry"), as you'll see here...

http://www.cbssports...-series-in-2013

You mean that Impala with a sort of Camaro looking front clip?

[MAGNUM4342]

I would show interest if they were vintage cars. Something with shape...style. These scrubbing bubbles they run nowadays can hardly be told one from another unless you look at the sticker on the nose. I'm honestly suprised the France family hasn't started thier own assembly line factory to stamp chassis plates, sheet metal and the like to supply to the various teams. They all run the same blocks, rear ends, and trans. It's just not "stock cars" anymore. I understand and believe in all the safety innovations, as those are a necessity. To me though, they're all nothing more now than 200mph billboards.

[bbowser]

To me though, they're all nothing more now than 200mph billboards.

They've been billboards since the first 'non-automotive' sponsors started coming in in the '70s. To get back on point I agree with Plowboy, if Revell is considering a new tool of anything I'm for it. Except a '57 Packard

[martinfan5]

They all run the same blocks,

Please go check your facts, they do not run the same blocks, each manufacturer use their own block, per NASCAR rules, if a manufacturer wants to run in the series, they must make a engine block.

[martinfan5]

They've been billboards since the first 'non-automotive' sponsors started coming in in the '70s. To get back on point I agree with Plowboy, if Revell is considering a new tool of anything I'm for it. Except a '57 Packard

The problem people are having, is because Revell is thinking of tooling up something thats not from the 70's or earlier . I am sorry you non NASCAR fans have a problem with or the series, well guess what, the kits are not aimed at you, you dont have to spend your money on them, but for NASCAR fans like myself, I welcome new NASCAR kits, and will support Revell 100% if they do start tooling up some new NASCAR glue kits

Edited July 27, 2012 by martinfan5

[Harry P.]

I am sorry you non NASCAR fans have a problem with or the series, well guess what, the kits are not aimed at you, you dont have to spend your money on them, but for NASCAR fans like myself, I welcome new NASCAR kits, and will support Revell 100% if they do start tooling up some new NASCAR glue kits

Can't argue with that.

[MachinistMark]

bingo. All engines are 358 ci pushrod v8s but thats where the similarities stop

[Guest Johnny]

Please go check your facts, they do not run the same blocks, each manufacturer use their own block, per NASCAR rules, if a manufacturer wants to run in the series, they must make a engine block.

That is true even for Toyota. But then they got handed 50 years of the Big Threes already proven technology (courtesy of Nascar) to study and copy to make their new engine so they would have a V8 to race with too!

[Guest Johnny]

The problem people are having, is because Revell is thinking of tooling up something thats not from the 70's or earlier . I am sorry you non NASCAR fans have a problem with or the series, well guess what, the kits are not aimed at you, you dont have to spend your money on them, but for NASCAR fans like myself, I welcome new NASCAR kits, and will support Revell 100% if they do start tooling up some new NASCAR glue kits

Even you have seen how limited the excitement of the COT's were by Round2! They are for sale cheap everywhere. Not that much interest.

I have a feeling this is just a test balloon to see if spending the money for the licensing would be worth while.

If there isn't overwheling interest in new Nascar models they will never do them.

How many times have they floated ideas for new models only to get everyone's hopes up and then drop the idea because the responses or "pre-orders" aren't high enough.

I don't believe there is enough interest in the subject any more.

Look at all those empty seats every week.

[MAGNUM4342]

Oh dear lord PLEASE forgive me for over-generalising about todays cars! I'll submit myself emmediately for a flogging!

[martinfan5]

Even you have seen how limited the excitement of the COT's were by Round2! They are for sale cheap everywhere. Not that much interest.

I have a feeling this is just a test balloon to see if spending the money for the licensing would be worth while.

If there isn't overwheling interest in new Nascar models they will never do them.

How many times have they floated ideas for new models only to get everyone's hopes up and then drop the idea because the responses or "pre-orders" aren't high enough.

I don't believe there is enough interest in the subject any more.

Look at all those empty seats every week.

I agree with about the AMT COT kits, I think the big problem with those are two things, one, it was a basic snap kit, and two the pre painted bodies, I think that if they would have made them full glue kits, even with pre painted bodies, I think the sales would of been better.

I do think that if Revell steps up and does do glues kits, one, I think they are going to be kits of the new 2013 cars, they will sell, maybe not like in years past, but still sell better then AMT kits.

One of the other reason's is, say 99% of all the after-market NASCAR decals are 1/24th, and AMT's COT kit was 1/25th.

Kevin, please forgive me, I was not trying to come of as bashing you, sorry if you took it that way, not my intent

[Tony T]

I'm all for a new NASCAR glue kit! I think it would be great! The noname Impala kit is a nice start (I bought a resin Fusion body to do a Ford) but obviously no engine and rudimentary chassis detail (and a few omissions inside the cockpit).

I do recall at some point, due to licencing or some nonsense by NASCAR that the term NASCAR could not be used without permission in print in a magazine...I think this was in SAE many years ago...so they referred to it as North American Sedan Crashing And Racing...I think it is funny still today...and I'm a fan!!

Come on Revell...do it!!

[Bad Brad #2]

That is true even for Toyota. But then they got handed 50 years of the Big Threes already proven technology (courtesy of Nascar) to study and copy to make their new engine so they would have a V8 to race with too!

Actually Toyota wasn't handed the technology by Nascar, Bill Davis handed over all of Dodge's Nascar technology to give them a kick start. If you don't believe me just google "Bill Davis/Dodge lawsuit", industrial esponoge at its most corupt.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/motorsports/news/2003/06/04/dodge_lawsuit_ap/

[Bill J]

I am a NASCAR modeler, I have a lot of NASCAR kits and build when I feel the need. I put 2 of the snap, pre-painted CoT kits together, not too exciting. I am for Revell getting back into the NASCAR kits, even if I have no interest in buying any. Some one will buy/build, if there is a kit available.

I am not a fan of what NASCAR itself has evolved into and the way the cars are today. Same can be said of most types of racing though. Race cars have become so aerodynamic and so dependent on the wings and air dams and such that the whole spirit is gone from the racing we had in the mid-'60's for example. Sports cars, Indy cars, F-1 cars, drag cars...all are too high tech to be all that interesting. The average fan, or potential fan has no idea what is going on with that car of today. It does not relate to any car we understand or drive. NASCAR became popular because the fans related to the cars. The current cars, no matter how they try to dress them to look like real cars, are still just not close enough to a real car to be interesting to many of us.

I am much more excited to have kits of the '57 Ford Custom sedan and the '50 Olds coupe. Loved the Hudson kits too. Build the NASCAR kit Revell and there are builders that want them and it will add to the options of any modeler.

[iBorg]

I think that a quality glue kit would be a great addition. The AMT COT is not a fair comparision. I lacks enough detail that at best it is a good foundation to kitbash with ......a Revell/Monogram stock car. Instead of forcing the modeler to undo and redo wouldn't it be nice to have the quality in one kit? Imagine using the same skill that Revell showed in their midget kits making a modern race car.

Would I like drag racing instead.....maybe, but, look at the TV ratings and the fans in the stands. NASCAR is king. It just makes better business sense to tool up what has the greatest market potential. There are more average fans who might be tempted to buy a NASCAR kit than a drag. Do it right, make it a scale replica instead of an unassemblied toy and it might be a good seller. If they do, hopefully Revell won't oversaturate the market like Monogram did previously.