Deano Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Now ... some basic "errors" that bug me to death: 1. Directional tires mounted backwards. They're called "directional" for a reason. 2. Valve covers upside down or backwards. 3. Shifters and transmissions not matching. You know, stick with an automatic ... automatic shifter with a manual. OK ... the stick/auto combination could be explained away as a LOKAR shifter, but .... 4. Way-too-big tires with the tops cut off so the car can still "lay frame."
FASTBACK340 Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 One of my pet-peeves are the ignition wires that appear to be made from steel rods. They arc over the engine like little mis-placed Halo's..... Steering wheels lying on seats..... Multi-point racing harnesses attached to aluminum wheel tubs (well known, idolized builder did this. Cover car on " the other guys " magazine) Paint jobs so thick & glossy there's no panel lines * same builder as above Coil wires coming out of MSD ignition module * same..... Photo-etched vent grills attached to roofs (Your going to think I hate this guy.....) Ditto Dzus fasteners...... Yes, I just lampooned a well known builder, but it goes to show, if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS Build it YOUR way..... and no, the builder I'm referring to is NOT a member here. Besides, he's out here on the East Coast. No more hints
mistermodel Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 on an older car or a big rig the window/windshield rubber painted silver,foiled or left body colour after the paint. Another one for the big rigs stacks that are a scale 16 feet tall
highway Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Matthew, you said" if one wants to take the time to add extra detail, then the builder should at least take the extra time to research the project and get it CORRECT ! " I rest my case. Yes, and the operative word in that excerpt (or is that too big of a word for you) is SHOULD!! I am by no means with that statement trying to force my opinions or building style on anyone! If you or anyone else wants to add extra detail and get it wrong, that's fine by me, it's not sitting on my shelf!!
Scott Colmer Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 (edited) John V. Hit a lot of my favorites. Here are a few more... Out of scale detail. Sometimes this is tough when the resources are not there, but plug wire should be an easy one. I am not a fan of glass beads for line fittings if they are too big - I have used them too, but not for fuel lines. Radiator hoses without an attempt at a clamp. Just a small strip of foil will do the trick. Count me in on the over size roll cage complaint. I think your east coast guy might have done that one too. And....PE vents for the sake of PE vents. Not on the real car, why would that add them to a race car? I can always appreciate a drilled bracket where the holes are perfectly lined up. NOT easy. Misaligned engines are a killer. Stand out like a sore thumb. I've got one of these on the shelf. Someone pointed it out, I just did not want to try to fix it. Gloppy brush paint on a scratchbuilt parts may not be a mechanical error, but it takes away from the finished look. If you are going to make it, take the time to airbrush it or at least thin the paint and try to color it in coats. I agree with those that say if you going to add detail, make it right. Not always easy, but at least try. The internet is a great help with that. You can even get a firing order for just about everything. Scott Edited July 15, 2013 by Scott Colmer
FASTBACK340 Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 Scott....Scott....Scott..... Don't you know? The more PE, the BETTER the model! Like Rodney Dangerfield referring to the weight of a paid-to-impress term paper in Back to School: Yeah, it only feels like a second place trophy. Bulk it up and go for first place
FASTBACK340 Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 In all fairness, I should shoot the underside of some if my slammers I've built that were published. I did a '59 Buick lead sled that I almost didn't put rear tires on because it was so low with full length cruiser skirts you couldn't tell. A friend shamed into mounting a pair you can't see anyway. I use rubber bands, duct tape, and tires cut in half to get "the look". But these are slammers, or curbsides. To me this is the free-style class where you can stretchy it a bit. But when a small block Chevy has a front mounted distributor, or iconic engine parts are installed upside down, yeah.... there's no reason for that. Why bother coming on these forums if your not looking to get better? We're all watching Bill fabricate 90% of that Hemi Cuda. All my attempts at scratchbuilding are a joke compared to it. But I take a bit with me when I see it DONE RIGHT.
southpier Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 ....To me this is the free-style class where you can stretchy it a bit. ... but it's all "free-style", Bra. it's a hobby!
FASTBACK340 Posted July 15, 2013 Posted July 15, 2013 but it's all "free-style", Bra. it's a hobby! Hard to free style in replica stock..... And it's "Bro"
niteowl7710 Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 If you're ok with "magic floating alternators" or don't care whether or not the plug wires are in the correct firing order, that's ok! And if you are one of those detail nuts that adds every last little part to the engine, that's ok too! There is no one right way to take part in this hobby. But we have to be able to have a simple discussion about common building mistakes without everyone getting bent out of shape. But there-in lies the problem with every thread like this that crops up around here. If you don't care about "floating alternators" or anything else, then they aren't common building MISTAKES, whether it's "laziness", preference, or especially if you're building contest level box stock and can't add things like a bracket, wiring, P.E., etc. the way Person A chooses to do something doesn't make it a MISTAKE, just because Person B is "annoyed" by whatever the offending component happens to be. When does a preference, building style, or building class become a mistake exactly? Who gets to be the arbiter of that decision? Because frankly for all the bally-hooing about brackets, wiring and all these other re-hashed pet peeves plenty of people on this forum haven't even got an median grasp of painting or clean final assembly skills.
highway Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 but it's all "free-style", Bra. it's a hobby! Hard to free style in replica stock..... And it's "Bro" I think he's just trying to be like a certain Hawaiian bounty hunter!
Harry P. Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 When does a preference, building style, or building class become a mistake exactly? Who gets to be the arbiter of that decision? It depends on the intent of the builder. If you've built a model to enter in the Box Stock contest class, and that kit has a "magic floating alternator," then you haven't made a mistake. You've accepted the mistakes in the kit because you intentionally built that kit to meet a certain specific standard. However... if you built that kit to enter into the "factory stock" class, and you were either too lazy to add the missing bracket, or don't know that an alternator can't be held up by the belt, then you've made a mistake. However Part 2: If you built that kit just to please yourself, you have no intentions of competing against other modelers, and you're happy with it as it is, "magic floating alternator" and all... then all is well in your world. However Part 3: If you then post pictures of that kit on an online forum, be prepared for feedback, and don't be personally offended if someone points out to you that an alternator can't be held in mid air by the drive belt. Posting your work for the public to see means the public will see it... and comment on it.
Danno Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 And if you glue the alternator to the roof of the car thinking it makes a great rear view mirror . . . that's a mechanical mistake of the first order no matter who you buildin' for!
Harry P. Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 all of this over little plastic toy cars????? Have you noticed that it's a plastic toy car forum???
Danno Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 all of this over little plastic toy cars????? I take umbrage at that slur. My models are carefully crafted miniature replicas; pieces of personally fashioned art; not toy cars. And like many others here, I take my hobby/art seriously. If you sit on the floor going 'vroom, vroom' with little plastic toy cars, that's your thing, not mine.
rustbucket82 Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 bunch of grown men arguing over a child's hobby.....
highway Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 bunch of grown men arguing over a child's hobby..... If you think it's such a child's hobby, WHY ARE YOU HERE?!?!?
niteowl7710 Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) It depends on the intent of the builder. If you've built a model to enter in the Box Stock contest class, and that kit has a "magic floating alternator," then you haven't made a mistake. You've accepted the mistakes in the kit because you intentionally built that kit to meet a certain specific standard. However... if you built that kit to enter into the "factory stock" class, and you were either too lazy to add the missing bracket, or don't know that an alternator can't be held up by the belt, then you've made a mistake. However Part 2: If you built that kit just to please yourself, you have no intentions of competing against other modelers, and you're happy with it as it is, "magic floating alternator" and all... then all is well in your world. However Part 3: If you then post pictures of that kit on an online forum, be prepared for feedback, and don't be personally offended if someone points out to you that an alternator can't be held in mid air by the drive belt. Posting your work for the public to see means the public will see it... and comment on it. I get what you're saying, and I don't necessarily disagree, and I really don't want to run this train down a siding, BUT I just think that if you're going to speak of building mistakes then there are plenty of things that can be improved that don't necessarily involve after-market (or creative home remedied) detail products. Just between you, me and the lamppost Harry we all know there are builds shown here that have glue emanating from joints, joints that are gaping/misaligned, finger prints in places and in media that shouldn't exist, hand painted trim (especially black trim) that looks like it was applied like the lady did her make-up during the landing in "Airplane!", and paint jobs themselves that could be used for Lunar Landing training. Yet more often than not those builds also have a litany of "Awesome build", "Beautiful model", etc attached to them. Yet there are a couple of people around here who live to point out in "Under Glass" threads that an otherwise cleanly built model would "look better with plug wires".. I just find it amusing and perhaps ironic that in a forum where honesty in building critique tends to get people pilloried to the point most people here are either scared or disinterested in participating in actually encouraging the growth of their fellow modeler in correcting actual MISTAKES in technique and increasing overall skill sets, we see threads like this one that pop up discussing the most minute of mechanical detailing nonsense like proper firing order. Edited July 16, 2013 by niteowl7710
PappyD340 Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 I get what you're saying, and I don't necessarily disagree, and I really don't want to run this train down a siding, BUT I just think that if you're going to speak of building mistakes then there are plenty of things that can be improved that don't necessarily involve after-market (or creative home remedied) detail products. Just between you, me and the lamppost Harry we all know there are builds shown here that have glue emanating from joints, joints that are gaping/misaligned, finger prints in places and in media that shouldn't exist, hand painted trim (especially black trim) that looks like it was applied like the lady did her make-up during the landing in "Airplane!", and paint jobs themselves that could be used for Lunar Landing training. Yet more often than not those builds also have a litany of "Awesome build", "Beautiful model", etc attached to them. Yet there are a couple of people around here who live to point out in "Under Glass" threads that an otherwise cleanly built model would "look better with plug wires".. I just find it amusing and perhaps ironic that in a forum where honesty in building critique tends to get people pilloried to the point most people here are either scared or disinterested in participating in actually encouraging the growth of their fellow modeler in correcting actual MISTAKES in technique and increasing overall skill sets, we see threads like this one that pop up discussing the most minute of mechanical detailing nonsense like proper firing order. DITTO!!
FASTBACK340 Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 I think he's just trying to be like a certain Hawaiian bounty hunter! I have no idea of the inferred reference. I don't watch much TV if that's where it's from.....
heinz74 Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 could i just say that sometimes getting things wrong in the smallest details this time not a floating alternator or strange firing order, but say the colours of different parts underneath a car or even the shape ,size or manufacturer sure there's ton's of reference material on the net..but it's easy enough to Google for a part and get 4 different styles or colours for it you could be so sure of yourself and subject ,and than a judge tells you that the coil on your engine is supposed to be red instead of black ..just because he swears it's that way on a '67 ..just because he had one of those cars brandnew back then... and you just copied it from fotomaterial..not knowing otherwise... and no i don't build for shows or competitions...(we don't have em over here)
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