It's public knowledge that Round2 is basing it's '71 Dodge Demon on it's 2000ish Plymouth Duster tool, now what if they would base a new '72 Plymouth

[Luc Janssens]

Roadrunner on their 2000ish '71 Charger tooling?

What could be carried over and what parts would need to be newly designed?
Please when answering take your time to collect data and don't guess, maybe info like this can be dispensed to the right people at Round2

Thanks and enjoy your weekend!
Best regards
Luc

Edited November 9, 2013 by Luc Janssens

[Joe Handley]

Should just be the body, interior, tail lights, and maybe windows to make the Plymouth cars for that year. Most midsized Mopars were pretty much identical mechanically and even had some parts that would be used on the '62 Fury, '68 Cornet, and '70 Charger my folks had just as easily as they could on the Diplomats our local Police Department used back in the 80's and would also fit the Plymouth in your picture there and the cop cars used for Dukes of Hazzard.

[Brett Barrow]

I've been under the impression that the 71 Demon would be restored from the MPC 75 Dart Sport tooling, which was originally the 71 Demon.

[Luc Janssens]

I've been under the impression that the 71 Demon would be restored from the MPC 75 Dart Sport tooling, which was originally the 71 Demon.

No it's been confirmed by Tom Carter that it will be based on the Duster tool.

Edited November 9, 2013 by Luc Janssens

[Joe Handley]

Is it going to be new body, or MPC body over AMT chassis like '70 Bee is?

[Casey]

Roadrunner on their 2000ish '71 Charger tooling?

What could be carried over and what parts would need to be newly designed?

Yes, that would be a good starting point, and they could share suspension, engine, and other drivetrain/steering parts, but the Charger and Roadrunner bodies share almost nothing externally (maybe the windshield?), and the interiors are different, save for the Rallye dash frame. Upholstery would all be low-line for a Roadrunner.

I think Round2 would be better off reissuing the ex-MPC '71 Roadrunner kit, however it currently exists, and letting advanced builders kitbash it with the '71 Charger as they wish. Factor in nostalgia, and based on both what's inside and on the outside of the box, you've got an easy reissue that will sell:

[freakshow12]

I always liked that kit. I sadly do not currently have any.

[Luc Janssens]

I think Round2 would be better off reissuing the ex-MPC '71 Roadrunner kit, however it currently exists, and letting advanced builders kitbash it with the '71 Charger as they wish. Factor in nostalgia, and based on both what's inside and on the outside of the box, you've got an easy reissue that will sell:

Does it still exist?

The re-issue of the '71 was last seen as a Mpc/Ertl release in the mid to late 80s, IIRC;

A racing variant was announced a decade or so later, but never materialized, anyone an idea what happened?

Sure they could copy a vintage kit, but if they are making that kinda investment, improving it in my book would be the way to go, if only to remove the chrome headlamps (my pet peeve ;^)

[Custom Hearse]

Beautiful '72 Roadrunner!

[Luc Janssens]

Beautiful '72 Roadrunner!

I know, I've been looking for a decent affordable built up to replicate it, for quite some time now, but I'm a patient guy.

;^)

[Casey]

Does it still exist?

The re-issue of the '71 was last seen as a Mpc/Ertl release in the mid to late 80s, IIRC;

A racing variant was announced a decade or so later, but never materialized, anyone an idea what happened?

Sure they could copy a vintage kit, but if they are making that kinda investment, improving it in my book would be the way to go, if only to remove the chrome headlamps (my pet peeve ;^)

I don't recall what is shared between all the MPC '71-'78 B-body kits, but the '73-4 Roadrunner was released in two versions within the last two years, so assuming some parts can and are still shared between the '71 and '73-4 kits, and assuming the body mold section has not been lost nor damaged, I think Round2 could make it happen for a LOT less than a new or heavily modified kit.

I don't recall Round2 releasing any heavily modified reissues (similar to your proposed '71 RR based on the AMT '71 Charger R/T) since they took over AMT, MPC, and Polar Lights, and I believe the forthcoming '71 Demon is going to be the first, so we'll see how that goes. I was never a huge fan of AMT's '71 Duster 340 kit (though some of its parts are quite nice), but I think the '70 Coronet Super Bee kit is a good example of how a vintage MPC body can be combined with a more modern AMT kit to create a good "new" kit/modified reissue.

[Luc Janssens]

I think the '70 Coronet Super Bee kit is a good example of how a vintage MPC body can be combined with a more modern AMT kit to create a good "new" kit/modified reissue.

True, but I also read a comment by a former Amt engineer that it was the most expensive kit to run (production wise) at the time.

Maybe the old Mpc tools are almost Jo-Han like LOL

[Guest]

Did not know Round 2 was doing a 71 Demon!

[zenrat]

Roadrunner on their 2000ish '71 Charger tooling?

What could be carried over and what parts would need to be newly designed?

Please when answering take your time to collect data and don't guess, maybe info like this can be dispensed to the right people at Round2

Thanks and enjoy your weekend!

Best regards

Luc

Wow. Now we're getting homework assigned...

[1972coronet]

I , too , was under the impression that the 1971 Demon 340 reissue (retro retool) was going to based upon the original annual series ( in this case , 1971-1976 A-body ) after its "one run for fun" as the 1975-1976 Dart Sport (360) .

Let's hope it's not a train wreck ...

Re : the 1971 Road Runner : its last run was in 1987 (issued until ca.1990) . The only changes from its original 1971 annual run (thanks , Casey , for the photos of the kit in question) to its 1987 issue were :

- Custom wheels . The original obviously had Cragar S/S , whereas the 80's version had Gotti-esque wheels .

- Tyres . The original had the whitewalls , whereas the 80's version had the 1972 & up MPC "generic" RWL tyres.

I , too , am of the school of thought that a retro-reissue of the 1971 bird would be a better decision versus a 'factory bash' of the Charger , especially if its box art is spot-on

[Sport Suburban]

Having kit bashed a few of these. I can tell you that the original MPC interior tub would need clearancing, The chassis plate needs to be modified to fit inside the body. And the body would need to be modified for the engine compartment to be molded in.

So from AMT's standpoint they would need to tool up a new body for the engine compartment. A new interior tub to fit the chassis, Or retool the 71 Chargers interior for a Road Runner interior that would fit the new body. Plus tool up a new chassis to fit inside the new body. The only parts that would not need any tooling mods would be the drivetrain, suspension and most of the exhaust. Tailpipes would need to be modified. In my opinion it would be best to restore the old tool. Or go all new tool since 80% of it would have to be new.

[Sport Suburban]

[Sport Suburban]

This 71 Charger kit is a great kit and I would like to see a modified release into another year Charger Like a 72 Charger Ralley. I know it has been released a few time and I have bought about 10 of them or more. I built two mostly out of the box. I'm kit bashing another one with a MPC 72 Charger and have finished a 73 Charger Ralley kit bash. I also plan to build a 74 Charger, 71 Road Runner, 71 Superbird with this donor kit.