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If this is the direction that future Jeeps will take then we can declare another great vehicle nameplate to have died an ignoble death.

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people who need something more than a "Mall Rated" vehicle for off road use do not use jeeps. they make the jump to a capable vehicle...and that spells Toyota. Jeeps are for girls and that includes the so called "Rubicon" varieties that litter the side of the real Rubicon trail in the Sierra of California.

So a little exercise in design doesn't change things one way or the other. its still a "Heep" in most serious off-roaders books

edit: it actually looks better in that article than the oversized, poseur version they have been selling for many years. looks like they are actually getting up with the times...kinda looks like a Nissan Cube or Scion bread box.

jb

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Looks like just another dweeb mashup of unrelated design elements to me. No theme, no nads. "Mall rated" indeed.

I thought the team who did the new Fiat 500 did a nice job with a coherent update that respects its heritage.

What happened?

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I would not buy a Toyota FJ because it has independent front suspension. Very limited travel and lots of joints to go bad. While Fiat may not be the best choice of owners for Chrysler and Chrysler may not be the best choice of owners of Jeep, at least the Wrangler is still a true off-road vehicle that has live axles at both ends and a 2 speed transfer case. It can also be owned with a manual tranny if so desired.

I'd prefer a Land Rover Defender but the price on the few used ones around is quite prohibitive.

As far as the Jeep Renegade goes, let's all hope it is a dismal failure. The world does not need another SUV that is really a cheap station wagon and not a utility vehicle in any sense.

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I dont have an issue with it, but I would not want to own it, but this what you have to except , Chrysler is now 100% owned by Fiat, expect more changes coming.

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I'm glad I bought my new Wrangler in 2012 before Fiat had any influence. Although, there was a recall on some oil line change and they keep telling me they are a year out on getting enough parts to fix it. I have never had a recall on any car that did not have the parts and got the changes made ASAP. I cannot imagine why it takes a year to get 2 metal oil lines.

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Living in a climate with significant snow on the ground for at least six months of the year, I understand the benefits of increased ground clearance. My wife drives a first gen Scion xB, but I would actually consider the Renegade as a potential replacement.

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Wait! Are you saying it doesn't have military grade axles and a six speed transfer case, an eight cylinder diesel, a choice of manual, auto, or cvt for a transmission? And not only should it be perfect for the wife to take to the mall with the kiddies, but it should do so with at least six+ feet of ground clearance, while sporting monster truck tires. AND... get exceptional gas mileage!

It doesn't?

Pffft! Boy, has Jeep lost it's way! I mean, we knew it was a dud before seeing the pic!

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people who need something more than a "Mall Rated" vehicle for off road use do not use jeeps. they make the jump to a capable vehicle...and that spells Toyota. Jeeps are for girls and that includes the so called "Rubicon" varieties that litter the side of the real Rubicon trail in the Sierra of California ....

jb

I drive the 3rd of three Jeeps I've owned through the years. It's a bone stock black 97 Cherokee that I keep around for winter driving, towing my utility trailer and mule related tasks. It has about 180K on the odometer and will likely see 300k with little or no fuss; no engine rebuild. My Focus does none of the above very well. It's a "toy" by comparison.

The previous Jeeps were built, the last with rollcage, rock rails, skid plates, Firestone M/T's, locker, custom bumpers, etc.I took it to a variety of trials from Moab to the Badlands in Indiana. In all the places I've been, Toyota's can be spotted, but you'll see 40 or 50 Jeeps to every 1 Toyota. Most guy's go with what works, and stay away from toys. :)

The solid axle front end seems to be the great dividing line between real Jeeps and pretenders, but even the latest JK hs put on so much weight that it falls short. Several years back Chrysler started designing Jeep models around their common platform. from that point forward they became nothing more that Dodge SUV's with Jeep badges. Now with Fiat ownership, the trend continues; Fiat platforms with Jeep badges. The true Jeep; great off-road, but noisy and rough on the highway, is gone.

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I remember a company being not approved to by Chrysler and Fiat had to be approved also. What conditions I don't know. I did read that the reason they bought Chrysler was to get there cars over here and with a big American brand for trust. I kind of remember the article saying that Chrysler would stay to its roots..

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Frankly, I LIKE the looks of the new Cherokee. Although possibly not the absolute best-integrated design, it keeps a visual "Jeepness" while adding a modern twist, and most of the various design elements work pretty well together.

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The newest Grand Cherokee is very handsome, the four door Wrangler is great (I see them absolutely everywhere), and the Cherokee and Renegade nicely balance each other out with futuristic/traditional styles. In my mind, Jeep is being handled perfectly right now.

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The solid axle front end seems to be the great dividing line between real Jeeps and pretenders, but even the latest JK hs put on so much weight that it falls short. Several years back Chrysler started designing Jeep models around their common platform. from that point forward they became nothing more that Dodge SUV's with Jeep badges. Now with Fiat ownership, the trend continues; Fiat platforms with Jeep badges. The true Jeep; great off-road, but noisy and rough on the highway, is gone.

Agreed, unfortunate but true. Look at that hideous Cherokee, based off the Dart platform. Though I will say the Renegade is a little better looking than the Cherokee, it's yet another "Mall Crawler" added to their lineup. I'm sure it will sell, though. I know these are the types of vehicles that sell these days but it's sad, in this purist's eyes, to see what Jeep has become. At least the Wrangler is still flying the flag, for the most part. For now.......

Just my 2 cents, end of rant.

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