StevenGuthmiller

The Monte's a little shorter, but with a slight chassis stretch, it'll work just fine. But it wouldn't work for a re-pop of one of the GP kits. Steve

Are you sure? If 1/4 scale is okay, why not 1/2? And if 1/2, why not 1:1? Steve

Well, that’s good and bad news. The good news is that we can finally put the “Super Fly” guess to rest. (A very positive development in my view) The bad news is that the ‘69-‘72 GP tooling might be gone forever. I think one of those kits could have been a very viable future project for Round-2. Steve

Been saying exactly that for a very long time. But it almost always devolves into “a garbage kit”, versus “a poor modeler” argument which never accomplishes much. Steve

This is exactly what I was trying to convey. Thank you. My opinion is no. it’s just basically an unassembled diecast. But then again, I’m guessing that a “pre-decorated” pro shop plastic kit might very well be allowed. Who knows. I might be interested to look at such a model, but as a judge, I would absolutely never vote for one. Steve

Agreed. But honestly, it’s all really moot to me. I’m pretty confident that I’m never going to see anything such as this at any of the shows that I go to anyway. I’ll stick with my original sentiment on the subject. I really don’t care. Steve

Sure, but would it be okay if someone built an engine for you, painted a body for you, etc? The point is, we have no clue what this individual did or didn’t do. I suppose there is the possibility that this person possesses all of the skills necessary to build this model by himself, but that’s just speculation at this point. I think that If I was in charge of a show that this model was going to be entered in, I would probably like to know what he did, and what he didn’t do. Steve

I believe I understand the circumstance now. I'm sorry guys. It appears that I was mistaken in my assumption that this individual was offering these models to the public,and that's where the confusion arose. This model apparently is a one off, and the $30,000.00 is either what it cost him to build, or what he would be willing to sell it for. But here again, as Bob brought up, would this model be eligible for judging at the typical model show based on the question of whether or not it was entirely built by one individual? I suppose it's possible, but I have a difficult time believing that he didn't have a considerable amount of help with creating the parts, and, or constructing the model. If he didn't build this model from the ground up on his own, or more succinctly, if he had substantial help with it's construction from others, I don't believe that it would be accepted as a judged project at most shows. But, I could be mistaken. Steve

I understand that, and as I said to Tim, the original would most definitely qualify in a contest by the original builder, (that is if the particular show would allow it) but as I said, if I buy a completed one from him, is mine now eligible? As I said with my comparison to diecast and RC, where do we draw the line? Steve

My point was that if you want one of these, you’re paying this guy $30,000.00 for a finished replica. At least that’s my assumption. Sure, the guy who originally designed and built the prototype could enter it as a model in a contest, because he made it. If you just buy a finished one......well it would be no different than entering a die cast in a model contest. If there is some assembly required, well, let’s just say that RC vehicles require construction as well, but I don’t think that most of us would consider them “models” in the sense that we think of them as, and you certainly don’t see them at a model show. Steve

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I look at it this way I don’t care. I take my 1/25 scale models to a show and I don’t care at all what the competition is doing. If the judges like it, they will recognize it. If not, they won’t. What scale the competitors are bringing means nothing to me, and I have a sneaking suspicion that most judges will have the same attitude. It’s not just the model itself that the judges are taking into account, but what kind of work was required to build it, and in many circumstances, smaller scales require some skills that are not as critical with larger scales. It’s much more difficult to scratch build carburetor linkage in 1/25th scale than it is in 1/8th scale. Just like cramming $200.00 worth of billet and photo etch into a build doesn’t necessarily equate into a trophy, neither does a highly detailed large scale build. They are all subject to the same scrutiny no matter what size they are, and there are a lot of factors to consider. As matter of fact, a larger scale could open you up to more scrutiny. If I were judging, and came across a 1/8 scale model during the execution of my duties that didn’t contain full wiring and plumbing under the hood, I would wonder why when it’s obviously so much easier to do so in that scale. In my opinion, something like that would be a negative when comparing it to the guy who managed to somehow do it in 1/32 scale. In the end, I’m not afraid to compete against whatever. Win or lose, it doesn’t make that much difference to me. Just for the record, I have to add that the car in the video at the beginning of the thread is not a “model” anyway. My assumption is that it doesn’t come in a kit to be assembled by the purchaser, but is a $30,000.00 toy for rich guys to play with. Steve

There’s a perfect example. Did he build it himself? If so, could he then enter it in the large scale category? Steve

Well, if nothing else, it might be a good source for a few replacement parts for somebody that has a "real" '72 GP that they want to restore. But I really think we're out in left field with this one. I think Round-2 has some better options than this. At least I hope so. Steve

Most shows that I've been to almost always have a large scale, and a small scale category, along with every other sub-category, so in those instances, you would only be actually competing with others in that category, which might often only be a half dozen other entrants. Of course, there are always the "entire" show categories, such as best engine, best interior, best in show, people's choice etc, depending upon the show. But if you don't mind loading this behemoth on a trailer and wrestling it into the venue, I say bring it on. But I really can't speak to what the people who are putting on a particular show would allow. !/4 scale.......Why not half scale. For that matter, I suppose you could consider a 1:1 kit car a "model", couldn't you? Steve

Just about anything would have been a good alternative to that!! Steve

I agree. I think that the guys at Round-2 have much better opportunities, and I hope better sense, than to pursue something like that. I'm sorry Patrick. I had no intentions of hijacking your thread. I was simply answering a direct question asked by yourself, and then addressing the couple of suggestions that followed. Steve

Apparently he also has the uncanny and enviable ability to walk and chew gum at the same time. Steve

Nope, checked those too. Might be a suitable starting point, but would still require modification. Steve

Oh geez, lighten up. It’s Patrick’s thread. I think he’s perfectly capable of policing it all by himself. Or you can start “your” own thread and moderate it however you see fit. Steve

Different style of seat entirely. The seats from the Monogram ‘70 Buick GSX are pretty close, but unfortunately the wrong scale. Steve

I have one, but have yet to build it. When I do it, it’s going to require a considerable amount of work. I will of course be doing a full detail build with a chassis swap and a fully detailed engine bay, not to mention changes to the interior and badging to depict a J-Model instead of an SJ. Thar will require a new seat upholstery pattern. I need to do some checking, as I believe that the J-Model ‘69 GP shared it’s seats with some of the other GM cars from that era. Maybe the ‘69/‘70 GTO or Chevelle? I don’t know for sure. Model-J Model-SJ Steve

Depends on how well they run their organization I suppose. ? Steve

First of all, there's no such thing as a good looking pimp mobile! Steve

This should help. Steve