Patriots Steal Another Superbowl

[ranma]

Steroid use also is cheating! Pete Rose had a gambeling addiction,so that's not cheating. Shoeless Joe Jackson took the money,but din't throw any games. a fact backed by his game stats, yet got for cheating. A rod used drugs and still in the sport, and the new commish say's gambling is worse than Steriod enhanced cheating? Who know's how many NFL reff's have been paid off to blow call's? The Cleaveland brown's would have been in the super bowl in the 80's , Webster slaughter was clearly in bounds when he caught the ball in the game against the then oilers. Officials called him out of bounds costing Cleveland the game. And ending their hopes for a superbowl. Cheating is everywhere, Nascar is full of bad kelwoski's and cheatgano. Penski racing and others have been fiened many times.

[chunkypeanutbutter]

Financier? Where does it say anything about financier in Al's post?

Okay, whatever. It didn't specifically say people were being payed. The person in the example would be an organizer, then.

[Agent G]

Steroid use also is cheating! Pete Rose had a gambeling addiction,so that's not cheating. Shoeless Joe Jackson took the money,but din't throw any games. a fact backed by his game stats, yet got for cheating. A rod used drugs and still in the sport, and the new commish say's gambling is worse than Steriod enhanced cheating? Who know's how many NFL reff's have been paid off to blow call's? The Cleaveland brown's would have been in the super bowl in the 80's , Webster slaughter was clearly in bounds when he caught the ball in the game against the then oilers. Officials called him out of bounds costing Cleveland the game. And ending their hopes for a superbowl. Cheating is everywhere, Nascar is full of bad kelwoski's and cheatgano. Penski racing and others have been fiened many times.

You don't have to take the money and "throw a game" to cheat. You can win by just so much, so long as you cover the points spread, the "over and under".

Say for instance, and this is just an example because the game was mentioned, in the recent Cavs/Bulls game the Cavs were favorites by 20 points.

So you bet the Cavs to win by upwards to, but not over, 20 points.

So now say somebody on the Cavs team gets paid to hold their win to under 20 points over the Bulls. That hypothetical player took the money, but didn't "throw the game".

That makes a lot of money for those who bet the points and not the straight outcome of the game.

G

Edited May 15, 2015 by Agent G

[1930fordpickup]

G they just handed out the last of the fines for a couple former Toledo Rockets , Football and Basketball players that did just as you said. This was an ongoing court hearing for several years. One of the kids that took money was not even a regular player.

[Agent G]

Andy, basketball is the most common sport in which point shaving occurs. The mere fact that just one player can effect the game as much as they can makes it very easy.

ASU immediately comes to mind. The three guys involved won most of the games, but made the spread thus earning tons of money. Interestingly several Race and Sports Books here in Las Vegas were first to figure it out.

Those are long involved investigations too. The FBI always takes the lead, but they always come to us for assistance. Fun stuff!

G

[tubbs]

If that isn't cheating, please give an example of what you do consider cheating.

JC, first, anything outside the written rules is cheating. it's whats "exceptable". obliterating the back of the batter's box, there is holding on every play in fotball, sliding at the second baseman instead of the bag on a double play, a pitcher throwing the ball in the dirt to get it scuffed. there are milions of dollars at stake, anything athletes can get away with, they will do. some are very good at it (Gaylord Perry for one). i would never start the cheating, but if it's not being inforced, is it cheating?

[tubbs]

Steroid use also is cheating! Pete Rose had a gambeling addiction,so that's not cheating. Shoeless Joe Jackson took the money,but din't throw any games. a fact backed by his game stats, yet got for cheating. A rod used drugs and still in the sport, and the new commish say's gambling is worse than Steriod enhanced cheating? Who know's how many NFL reff's have been paid off to blow call's? The Cleaveland brown's would have been in the super bowl in the 80's , Webster slaughter was clearly in bounds when he caught the ball in the game against the then oilers. Officials called him out of bounds costing Cleveland the game. And ending their hopes for a superbowl. Cheating is everywhere, Nascar is full of bad kelwoski's and cheatgano. Penski racing and others have been fiened many times.

thanks a lot Rick, i had forgotten all about that one.. till now!

signed,

a life long Browns fan.

it't a curse, i tell you.

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Tom Terrific destroying evidence - what say we now?

[Harry P.]

Tom Terrific destroying evidence - what say we now?

What I said from the beginning. They cheated. And they knew they were cheating. I think a four game suspension is letting Brady off easy. I think a season-long ban would have been more appropriate.

Once you cheat in sports, the whole concept of sports is ruined.

[Petetrucker07]

I agree with you Harry. The 4 game for Brady isn't enough, million dollar isn't enough and loosing 1st round pick, big deal. They've probably made over a million in the merchandise increase over this. Brady still has a job come game 5, he just gets to watch a game, get paid doing and do it in jeans and t-shirt. The Patriots have enough money to get any player they want, so the draft really isn't that big of a deal.

[Rob Hall]

Tom Terrific destroying evidence - what say we now?

Could have just been a bad cell phone...I smashed my last one because it was junk...

[Petetrucker07]

I'm sure that's exactly what he said.

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I'm sure that's exactly what he said.

More or less that is what Brady is claiming.  He said he routinely destroys his cell phones and the sim cards when he gets a new phone.  He coincidently chose the day before he was meeting with the NFL investigator to change phones.

[Petetrucker07]

Coincidence, sure! And Bill Cosby was only trying help them girls sleep. 

Edited July 29, 2015 by Petetrucker07

[slusher]

Tom Terrific destroying evidence - what say we now?

What I said from the beginning. They cheated. And they knew they were cheating. I think a four game suspension is letting Brady off easy. I think a season-long ban would have been more appropriate.

Once you cheat in sports, the whole concept of sports is ruined.

i agree Harry 4 games is light he should have been a season and no sideline privileges ....

[Joe Handley]

If somebody who wasn't a member of Law Enforcement demanded to see my phone due to them thinking I did something wrong, they might end up being told to kiss off.

[Agent G]

If somebody who wasn't a member of Law Enforcement demanded to see my phone due to them thinking I did something wrong, they might end up being told to kiss off.

Even then, I'd need a search warrant. You could give your consent to a search, but I don't know why. 

Still given the circumstances, destroying the phone when he did was a bit too convenient.

G

[slusher]

If somebody who wasn't a member of Law Enforcement demanded to see my phone due to them thinking I did something wrong, they might end up being told to kiss off.

Even then, I'd need a search warrant. You could give your consent to a search, but I don't know why. 

Still given the circumstances, destroying the phone when he did was a bit too convenient.

G

G, to show he was guilty of nothing would it have been smart to agree to a search.?? Since he didn't i think it raises suspicion. 

[Agent G]

You'd like to think so!

Now, regardless of the outcome, future evidence, or anything else, it will always look like he destroyed evidence.

G

 

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Very interesting reading right here.

[modelercarl]

Interesting disclosures that the "finding" claiming Brady knew all and directed the improper inflation of footballs was paid for by the commissioner's office, about $3 million to a friend of his, and that the NFL (commissioner's office) leaked to ESPN improper and untrue inflation levels supposedly discovered when the Patriot's footballs were inspected.  Also interesting that several different gauges were used by different people in the checking of the suspect footballs....even some of the Colts footballs "appeared" to be improperly inflated.  The court had ALL of the pertinent information and ruled that there was no case against Brady.  Just an interesting fact:  when all of the game footballs were properly inflated to the satisfaction of all concerned, the Patriots blew out the Colts and won with a lopsided score.  Just one other comment...I would not turn over my cellphone to anyone either, and I don't have any conversations with people that might relate to other legal proceedings (real estate, endorsement contracts, personal and family travel plans, etc).

This whole thing was a farce from the beginning and now that the FACTS are out Goodell (and many others) still can't see what a fool he is.

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http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/08/patriots-cheating-suspicions-bill-belichick-tom-brady?xid=si_social/patriots-cheating-suspicions-bill-belichick-tom-brady?xid=si_social disclosures that the "finding" claiming Brady knew all and directed the improper inflation of footballs was paid for by the commissioner's office, about $3 million to a friend of his, and that the NFL (commissioner's office) leaked to ESPN improper and untrue inflation levels supposedly discovered when the Patriot's footballs were inspected.  Also interesting that several different gauges were used by different people in the checking of the suspect footballs....even some of the Colts footballs "appeared" to be improperly inflated.  The court had ALL of the pertinent information and ruled that there was no case against Brady.  Just an interesting fact:  when all of the game footballs were properly inflated to the satisfaction of all concerned, the Patriots blew out the Colts and won with a lopsided score.  Just one other comment...I would not turn over my cellphone to anyone either, and I don't have any conversations with people that might relate to other legal proceedings (real estate, endorsement contracts, personal and family travel plans, etc).

This whole thing was a farce from the beginning and now that the FACTS are out Goodell (and many others) still can't see what a fool he is.

Sorry to diasgree with you Carl but the arbitrator did not find Brady and the Patriots innocent of tampering with the footballs.  He ruled that the NFL suspended Brady without proper due process and therefore overturned the suspension.  

Have you read the new ESPN and SI reports release today?  The link I posted above is to the ESPN article. Here is the SI report.

[modelercarl]

Sorry to diasgree with you Carl but the arbitrator did not find Brady and the Patriots innocent of tampering with the footballs.  He ruled that the NFL suspended Brady without proper due process and therefore overturned the suspension.  

Have you read the new ESPN and SI reports release today?  The link I posted above is to the ESPN article. Here is the SI report.

I have read these articles and like most other articles about the Patriots "cheating" they are filled with "claims" without evidence, innuendo and hearsay.  The articles do acknowledge that Bellichek is a smart devious coach which is exactly what you want if you really want win.  They outline all the extra steps taken by many teams to "protect" themselves from the "cheating" Patriots but NEVER catch them and get their butts handed to them by the Patriots as demonstrated by the Patriots winning percentage over the last 10 years.  It is called the psychological factor....something Bellichek (and Brady) are good at.

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How refreshing it would be if the Patriots just lined up and tried to beat the other team head-to-head, man-to-man without always playing with an unfair advantage.

[Quick GMC]

I have read these articles and like most other articles about the Patriots "cheating" they are filled with "claims" without evidence, innuendo and hearsay.  The articles do acknowledge that Bellichek is a smart devious coach which is exactly what you want if you really want win.  They outline all the extra steps taken by many teams to "protect" themselves from the "cheating" Patriots but NEVER catch them and get their butts handed to them by the Patriots as demonstrated by the Patriots winning percentage over the last 10 years.  It is called the psychological factor....something Bellichek (and Brady) are good at.

There are people involved with the previous cheating, video taping, etc. that have come forward to give statements and testimony. How much more of a source do you want? The Patriots win history will forever be questionable. 

There is no questions the balls were tampered with by the Patriots, but like JC said, there was insufficient evidence to link brady directly with proof and that's why the ruling was overturned. There is no question that they cheated and got caught. Not only that, but this whole thing spans the Belichick/Brady regime. Coincidences like this just don't exist in real life.