Xingu Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 Please read the revised Forum Rules in the How To Use This Board section. There have been a few minor, but important, changes that have been made to the rules originally posted by Harry. We will also be modifying the rules posted in specific sections (like the Trading Post) and forum header descriptions, to better align with these rules.
Bainford Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 It is not clear what changes have been made. They need to be highlighted in some way, such as font colour. Also, how does one know if/when they have been 'awarded' a warning point. This needs stating in the rules.
Xingu Posted April 17, 2018 Author Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Bainford said: It is not clear what changes have been made. They need to be highlighted in some way, such as font colour. Also, how does one know if/when they have been 'awarded' a warning point. This needs stating in the rules. The changes do not matter, as long as everyone reads them in their entirety. For those looking for the Cliff Notes: 1. Warning points do not expire. 2. Will be cracking down on the foul language, especially those that like to change the spelling of the word to get past the filter. 3. Full name required to post in Trading and Wanted sections. 4. Clarified note to say that "in general" we have no control over what is said via PM, but members do have the option to report it and bring it to our attention. If warning point is issued, you get an email and a PM.
BigTallDad Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Xingu said: 2. Will be cracking down on the foul language, especially those that like to change the spelling of the word to get past the filter. In the Nixon era, the words [Expletive Deleted] were in quite few documents released during his downfall; apparently Nixon was rather profane. Is "Expletive Deleted" acceptable in a post, or should it be avoided as well?
martinfan5 Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Xingu said: 4. Clarified note to say that "in general" we have no control over what is said via PM, but members do have the option to report it and bring it to our attention. This needs be change to something more black and white Mod, and in general, yes, you do have control over that, you do issue warning points, you did it to me, things that are said here in PM are not private , so you need to be very clear that if you , the mod wants, you can issue warning points to members for things said in private to another member. That needs to be there as warning, Its very vague "bringing it to our attention", its needs to say something about we can and will take action against things said in PM. I like transparency. I know you disagree, but things said in private are just that, private, and we members should not have to worry about getting in trouble for things said in private. ( not counting things that are illegal or threatening or things on those lines) Edited April 17, 2018 by martinfan5
martinfan5 Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Xingu said: 1. Warning points do not expire. I dont fully agree with this, but shocking, as someone with 5 warning points, I wonder why, I do feel I paid for the first few warning points from years ago, and those should be dropped, I am still getting punished for something that I already did time for. Why should they still be there ?, If people are that bad, just banned then, people sometimes make mistakes and act badly, sometimes, people are human, and they have moments where they, get this, act like a human being with emotions, heck, even convicted felons get to start over. Its of my opinion that there should be a time limit on them, I know you the mod do not agree that. Just my 1.5 cents, carry on. Edited April 17, 2018 by martinfan5
Oldcarfan27 Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, BigTallDad said: In the Nixon era, the words [Expletive Deleted] were in quite few documents released during his downfall; apparently Nixon was rather profane. Is "Expletive Deleted" acceptable in a post, or should it be avoided as well? Are you serious? Can't you just find a "clean" way to express your thoughts? Children are able to be on this forum too. Besides the rules clearly say no foul language OR substitute characters. We all can interpret what is being expressed. JUST KEEP IT NICE!
Xingu Posted April 17, 2018 Author Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, BigTallDad said: In the Nixon era, the words [Expletive Deleted] were in quite few documents released during his downfall; apparently Nixon was rather profane. Is "Expletive Deleted" acceptable in a post, or should it be avoided as well? Not sure why anyone would need to curse on a model forum, but "bad word removed" would be acceptable.
Xingu Posted April 17, 2018 Author Posted April 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, martinfan5 said: This needs be change to something more black and white Mod, you do issue warning points, you did it to me, things that are said here in PM are not private , so you need to be very clear that if you , the mod wants, you can issue warning points to members for things said in private to another memeber. That needs to be there as warning, Its very vague "bringing it to our attention", its needs to say something about we can take action against things said in PM. I know you disagree, but things said in private are just private, and we members should not have to worry about getting in trouble for things said private. "In general" we don't care what happens in PM. If you send PM's that you are afraid will become public or that the recipient thinks needs to be brought to our attention, then you need to rethink what you are sending.
Xingu Posted April 17, 2018 Author Posted April 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, martinfan5 said: I dont fully agree with this, but shocking, as someone with 5 warning points, I wonder why, I do feel I paid for the first few warning points from years ago, and those should be dropped, I am still getting punished for something that I already did time for. Why should they still be there ?, If people are that bad, just banned then, people sometimes act badly, sometimes, people are human, and they have moments where they, get this, act like a human being with emotions, heck, even convicted felons get to start over. Its of my opinion that there should be a time limit on them, I know you the mod do not agree with me. Carry on Older points are not being carried over. You sure are worried about what could happen. Just follow the rules and everything will be fine.
martinfan5 Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Xingu said: Older points are not being carried over. You sure are worried about what could happen. Just follow the rules and everything will be fine. False, they are, I have a total of 5 points, you did not give me those 5 points. Not worried mod, just bringing up some points, this is a discussion forum , I am discussing the forum rules. Edited April 17, 2018 by martinfan5
Xingu Posted April 17, 2018 Author Posted April 17, 2018 1 minute ago, martinfan5 said: False, they are, I have a total of 5 points, you did not give me those 5 points. They do not count toward the new rules. They are part of your permanent history on the forum, but will not be combined with future points you will acquire.
martinfan5 Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Xingu said: They do not count toward the new rules. They are part of your permanent history on the forum, but will not be combined with future points you will acquire. Ahh, that makes sense if I am following what you are saying. That's funny, " you will acquire" Edited April 17, 2018 by martinfan5
HomerS Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, Xingu said: Not sure why anyone would need to curse on a model forum What about the first time you saw what was in a Palmer kit? (sorry......had to go there)
Ace-Garageguy Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Xingu said: Not sure why anyone would need to curse on a model forum... Well, for instance, sometimes, parts of the contents of a kit box have the value of excrement, and seem to have taken about as much conscious effort to create. It's less time consuming to type a rough facsimile of the "bad" word than it is to type "excrement". There's also the ever present danger that "excrement" will not be in the vocabularies of some members...particularly those who have common-core backgrounds.
Ace-Garageguy Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, martinfan5 said: That's funny, " you will acquire" It's a brave new world here in 1984.
Xingu Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said: Well, for instance, sometimes, parts of the contents of a kit box have the value of excrement, and seem to have taken about as much conscious effort to create. It's less time consuming to type a rough facsimile of the "bad" word than it is to type "excrement". There's also the ever present danger that "excrement" will not be in the vocabularies of some members...particularly those who have common-core backgrounds. I think you are going to have to start describing these parts as "lacking resemblance to the real thing" Continued use of bad language will not be tolerated. Several folks have been changing the spelling of words to get around the language, which the owner of this free board that everyone enjoys, put in place for a reason. Oh, and putting folks down, even if in a backhanded way like saying they lack the knowledge to understand what excrement means, is frowned upon.
Ace-Garageguy Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Xingu said: I think you are going to have to start describing these parts as "lacking resemblance to the real thing" Continued use of bad language will not be tolerated. Several folks have been changing the spelling of words to get around the language, which the owner of this free board that everyone enjoys, put in place for a reason. Oh, and putting folks down, even if in a backhanded way like saying they lack the knowledge to understand what excrement means, is frowned upon. The snowflake syndrome comes to MCM. Maybe being an adult male is just too toxic to be tolerated. No sarcasm, I suppose, no use of simple words to express simple ideas. And all this time, I thought anything smacking of politics was frowned upon too. I guess it depends on the politics. Not that I'm being argumentative, mind you. It's just an effort to try to communicate on a level appropriate to 5-year old girls. Edited April 18, 2018 by Ace-Garageguy
Dennis Lacy Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said: The snowflake syndrome comes to MCM. Maybe being an adult male is just too toxic to be tolerated. No sarcasm, I suppose, no use of simple words to express simple ideas. And all this time, I thought anything smacking of politics was frowned upon too. I guess it depends on the politics. Maybe the forum needs a "Safe Section" where sensitive people can go get virtual hugs just in case they accidentally encounter one of those words before a moderator can erase them?
Xingu Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 I am glad the revised rules have caught everyone's attention. Just a reminder to all....this is a family oriented model car forum, first and foremost. The revised rules are to help stop some of the more recent trends that have been occurring. There was a time when the rules of this forum consisted of "be respectful of others", that didn't work and stricter rules and punishments had to added. We are trying to make it very clear what will no longer be tolerated. Most of things that folks are worried about, shouldn't even be a problem. Why use foul language? Why put someone else down? Why stir the pot? Post your models, ask questions, enjoy what others are doing, post your wild speculations why we will or will not see the '30 Ford from Revell.
highway Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, Xingu said: Why stir the pot? So, wouldn't your own comment fall under this rule?? 2) Personal attacks will not be tolerated. We believe that encouraging and/or constructive criticism can help, but putting a person down does not accomplish anything for the community. Also, flaming, name calling, and off-color cartoons, images, or content are NOT permitted. Personal attacks are grounds for immediate banning. Or at least this subsection of Rule #7: • Belittling someone because their beliefs are different than your own I'm guessing I'm not going to be posting here much anymore, if even at all. If I have an opinion or have facts to either back up or disprove someone else's, I'm going to voice it, and both of those seem to be frowned upon here now.
Xingu Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, highway said: So, wouldn't your own comment fall under this rule?? 2) Personal attacks will not be tolerated. We believe that encouraging and/or constructive criticism can help, but putting a person down does not accomplish anything for the community. Also, flaming, name calling, and off-color cartoons, images, or content are NOT permitted. Personal attacks are grounds for immediate banning. Or at least this subsection of Rule #7: • Belittling someone because their beliefs are different than your own I'm guessing I'm not going to be posting here much anymore, if even at all. If I have an opinion or have facts to either back up or disprove someone else's, I'm going to voice it, and both of those seem to be frowned upon here now. See you guys are being short-sighted. You can absolutely have differing opinions. You just need to think about how you post it. You can say you disagree and explain why. You can't say the other persons opinion is a load of carp while doing it.
Ace-Garageguy Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Xingu said: ... You can't say the other persons opinion is a load of carp while doing it. MOMMY!!! MOMMY!!! Da bad man said carp when everyone knows he means a BAD WORD!!! MOMMY!!! MOMMY!!! Edited April 18, 2018 by Ace-Garageguy
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