Moebius Big Rig Super Singles

[chuckyr]

Available soon!

 

[Jim B]

Interesting upgrade for the ProStar, or whatever.

[tbill]

saw those at NNL East, they looked quite good.

[PettyKW43]

Glad Moebius is listening to us truck builders!

[Force]

I will probably buy a set or two, I do not really like the look of  singles on the drives as I prefer dual mounts, but it looks cool at the front.

[niteowl7710]

8 hours ago, Force said:

I will probably buy a set or two, I do not really like the look of  singles on the drives as I prefer dual mounts, but it looks cool at the front.

You wouldn't mount a super single to a steer axle.  The tractor set will be 2 of the regular steer tires, and then 4 of the Super Single wheel & tire pieces.

[Bennyg]

43 minutes ago, niteowl7710 said:

You wouldn't mount a super single to a steer axle.  The tractor set will be 2 of the regular steer tires, and then 4 of the Super Single wheel & tire pieces.

We use super singles on the steer axles in Australia.

Ben

[niteowl7710]

46 minutes ago, Bennyg said:

We use super singles on the steer axles in Australia.

Ben

There are what we call "High Floatation" steer tires that we use in the States for off road and heavy duty vocational applications, but standard Class 8 Highway Tractors get regular steer tires.

[Force]

2 hours ago, niteowl7710 said:

You wouldn't mount a super single to a steer axle.  The tractor set will be 2 of the regular steer tires, and then 4 of the Super Single wheel & tire pieces.

Well I was thinking of the steering wheel set in the upcoming Moebius tractor set.
Over here many trucks has 385/65 R22.5, they may be "high floatation" and many construction trucks use them, but they are also in use on highway trucks as they run cooler and lasts longer, these don't have aggressive tread patterns.
The 385 steer tires also often have a ridge on the side near the thread surface to throw the water off and out and it will keep the side of the trucks cleaner.

[Bennyg]

7 hours ago, niteowl7710 said:

There are what we call "High Floatation" steer tires that we use in the States for off road and heavy duty vocational applications, but standard Class 8 Highway Tractors get regular steer tires.

An example of an Australian truck with super singles on the front axle

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[niteowl7710]

2 hours ago, Bennyg said:

An example of an Australian truck with super singles on the front axle

Very interesting, we haven't gotten to that point over here yet, at least not that I've seen enough to notice.  Super Singles sort of get a love/hate relationship with drivers.  They're lighter, half as many tires and all of that, but BOY are they expensive to replace when they go flat, and depending on where you lose the tire it can be quite the adventure finding someone who has one in stock - god forbid you damage the rim in the process!

[Force]

If you have dual mount and blow a tire on the rear you can still continue slowly to a rest area or safe place without damaging the rim...it's a little hard with super singles and you will most likely ending up having to buy both a new rim as well as a new tire.

Here is an example of a Swedish Volvo FH 16 750hp 6X4 tractor with 385/65 R22.5 steer wheels, that type of steer wheel are very common over here on both highway trucks, log trucks and heavy duty trucks.

Edited July 16, 2018 by Force

[stavanzer]

The Gasoline Tanker Co. that I dispatched for Forbid using Super Singles on all of their equipment. Losing a S.S. on trailer would have been catastrophic.  Not much better on a tractor. I don't see the Super Single making much of an inroad in the business despite the obvious advantages. Just too many downsides when they the blow, at least where things stand now.

[vincen47]

Yeah, though not common, the wide steer tires are used in the US on highway tractors in heavy haul service, as the load ranges are much higher. With a load range L, Michelin’s XZA 365/70R22.5 is rated for 10.5k single, so if you have 20k front axle, you need ‘em. The XZAs don’t have an aggressive tread. Likewise, tour buses, big diesel pusher RVs, etc, most often have 315/80R22.5s on the steer axle and they are rated for over 9k single. If you have a stretched frame, big sleeper truck, you need a higher rated axle than the standard 12k, and stronger tires and rims too.

Anyone know when the Moebius Supers will be available? I found nothing on their website.

[niteowl7710]

I have to wonder if they're including a "heavier" steer axle tire, if they're not sharing tire tooling with Italeri again.  Because the current Italeri tire set that they sell in a "Parts Pack", and the Moebius tires both in the rigs and the parts pack are the same exact tire.  Be interesting to know who tooled what and ran what for who in that arrangement.  But if a "Super Single" steer is common in Europe...I admittedly have but one Euro Truck kit, are any of the new Italeri truck kits coming with Super Singles?

[Mike77]

Are the steer tires in the new set standard ones or hi-floats? They almost look to me like they could be floats...

 

[Force]

3 hours ago, niteowl7710 said:

I have to wonder if they're including a "heavier" steer axle tire, if they're not sharing tire tooling with Italeri again.  Because the current Italeri tire set that they sell in a "Parts Pack", and the Moebius tires both in the rigs and the parts pack are the same exact tire.  Be interesting to know who tooled what and ran what for who in that arrangement.  But if a "Super Single" steer is common in Europe...I admittedly have but one Euro Truck kit, are any of the new Italeri truck kits coming with Super Singles?

Singles on the drives is not that common over here in Europe, just wider steer wheels and on trailers, I have only seen singles on the drives on trucks in the US.

[niteowl7710]

4 hours ago, Mike77 said:

Are the steer tires in the new set standard ones or hi-floats? They almost look to me like they could be floats...

 

Now that there's a clearer and larger photo, those are definitely DIFFERENT steer tires and wheels.  The original steers had a tread pattern like the super singles, which was kind of disappointing because most people wouldn't actually mount an all position tire on a steer axle, but it made sense fiscally to not create a specific tire tool to pump out two tires per kit.

[vincen47]

22 hours ago, niteowl7710 said:

I have to wonder if they're including a "heavier" steer axle tire, if they're not sharing tire tooling with Italeri again.  Because the current Italeri tire set that they sell in a "Parts Pack", and the Moebius tires both in the rigs and the parts pack are the same exact tire.  Be interesting to know who tooled what and ran what for who in that arrangement.  But if a "Super Single" steer is common in Europe...I admittedly have but one Euro Truck kit, are any of the new Italeri truck kits coming with Super Singles?

Italeri did create tooling for two new European tires, and even released them as a separate set a few months ago. A wide all position, and a even wider steer. I picked up a set, and for the euro “all position” tire (though the tread pattern looks more like a drive tire to me, here in the US) the package says 315/80R22.5 on the box, but the tire sidewalls say 315/70R22.5, and they scale out to be that too. I don’t remember the dimensions of the wider “float” steers in the package, but I can check later. I’m not sure if there is a link between Moebius and Italeri, I don’t think these are the same tires, at least what I can tell from the pictures.