Revell Discontinuing NASCAR Model Kits

[bigphoto]

While I am a fan of auto racing I applaud Revell for dumping NASTYCAR. I think someone should send a link to this thread

to all sports sanctioning bodies just to let them see that not everyone is happy go lucky in love with them to pay ludicrous prices for memorbilia or attending an event. I also like the idea of putting them on like a pay per view basis. I do not have cable or Sat. TV just an antennae and more and more sporting events are going to cable/sat. the less I care about them!!

My .02 pennies. OK maybe nickel

[oversteer]

All this stuff is fascinating.Peter Lombardo I'm with you,I live 3 miles away from Yankee stadium and I dont support pro sports for the same reason.A salary bubble has existed for a long time now maybey it will soon pop with the economy and all.The amount some of these pro athletes make is crazy,and I'm a capitalist for sure but there has to be a balance.Americans seems as if we lost our grit and passion for doing things and thats part of it.Also I'm a cyclist,I do it for the passion.I belong to an amateur race team based in Brooklyn.We do not get payed but we put alot of time and money into this passion.I race against athletes that are in phenomenal shape for their age some in their late forties and early fifties.All these guys have jobs and proffesions from school bus drivers to stock brokers,cops and school teachers some are business owners.Unfortunatley there exist animosity towards the many cyclist in the tri-state area for whatever reason,I dont know you look funny in spandex or if your gonna be on the road you should have a "real" reason or be driving a car.I dunno,all I know is I need the road to ride on to do 6 hr training rides so I can be in race shape.I say all this because it seems people dont respect passion but I could be wrong.Anyway I'm glad Revell did what they did,good for them.

[RadRidesByDan]

So NASCAR would rather see no kits of their racers than receive smaller licensing fees. How does that enhance their product?

Bill Barrett

Tri-State Scale Model Car Club

I feel kinda sorry for all the NASCAR builders out there

Sorry to all NASCAR FANS.... Its ashame that stuff like this boils down to the almighty dollar

ITS GOOD OL' GREED AT WORK AGAIN

Edited December 9, 2008 by RadRidesByDan

[LVZ2881]

So... I assume you don't like football???

only Seattle Seahawks football games...and I gave up on them months ago....

[James Flowers]

Nascar has been losing it fan base little by little the last few years. The day is coming when their greed will cost them dearly. This new year will tell just how many sponsors will still support them. A lot of the teams are already merging together too survive because of sponsors dropping out . The whole structure of Nascar needs to change. I do watch it but that is because I can not stand baseball, football or any sport with a ball in it. They are so boring too me. Talk about over paid just to throw a ball or hit one get real. You could take any high school team and it would be just as fun too watch with out the cost. Maybe we can get some new tooling from Revell on cars and trucks we have not had before. Maybe not though because they still have to pay the car companies to copy their cars and trucks also.

[MrObsessive]

Well I'm no NASCAR fan by any means (and also no sports fan at all!)...............they lost me sometime in the '70's when what they were racing had no relevance whatsoever with the real world.

At least in the old days, what you saw racing you could just about get on the street at your local Chevy, Ford, or Chrysler store. It got really nasty in the late '80's/into the '90's when they started to use cars that weren't even RWD. When has the Taurus ever been RWD??

As Peter said............with a lot of cutbacks everywhere it's only a matter of time before the salary purses will drop too as they just won't have the money to pay those outrageous salaries. I'm not in favor of class envy as far as who earns what.......it's the arrogance that can be behind all that money that kills me.

Revell did the right thing IMO------no way are they going to pay crazy royalties to an organization that has been constantly raping the fans and others for too many years now. I say good riddance.................As James said, maybe we'll see some more never run car models with the extra money they might save.

Maybe............

[Guest 66dragfreak]

Being from the heart of Nascar country myself, I am fed up with the sport and have pretty much washed my hands of it as well. As for building models of these cars, I have also given up on them with the exception of a few Dale Earnhardt projects I had alread started. I used to build Nascar almost exclusively for over 15 years and had stockpiled hundreds of kits to choose from. Well, I liquidated 99% of my Nascar kits this past fall and invested the money I got from those into other kits that I know I'll build and not lose interest in. I now have a large diversity in kits and I don't miss building Nascar kits one bit.

What Revell did was warranted and I commend them for it. It's now survival of the fittest people and mark my words when I tell you Nascar is NOT going to survive. Money simply isn't there anymore to spend for race weekends, diescast, t-shirts, etc. People are also tired of the orchestrated WWE type story lines that vary from week to week to keep the fans happy...

Sponsors bilking the sport for every cent they can get their hands on and then throwing fits because they didn't get a $10k roylaty from a hobby company to put their logos on a plastic kit. How ludicrous is that? I remember when Goodyear pulled their backing and wouldn't allow Revell to put their decals on the Nascar sheets or their name on the tires of the kits. That was the beginning of the end for me right there. A company as big as Goodyear is going to rant about models having their names on it? I'm actually surprised Revell stuck with this as long as they did. They deserve our admiration and sincere, heartfelt thnaks for weathering a storm that has only gotten rougher over the past 5 years or so.

Now maybe we, as modelers can move on to other subjects and expand our horizons a bit more as well. This could definitely be a huge benefit for all of us as hobbyists.

[bobss396]

What really "stinks" is that there is now a FINITE supply of NA$CAR kits for whoever wants to build them. I personally use them for kitbashing and have a decent amount of stock on hand. However, any time I see a $3 or $5 kit around, I'm grabbing it.

Bob

[Harold]

I have to disagree that all NASCAR drivers are the same- heck, Tony Stewart is never afraid to speak his mind (and he's an accomplished driver in other forms of racing), Carl Edwards is a great driver who isn't afraid to throw a punch at his teammates. Vickers and Biffle are hard chargers, and as for crew chiefs, well, Jimmie Johnson ain't my favorite driver, but Chad Knaus could crew chief a drunk monkey to a championship. I do agree, however, that the common bodyshell has got to go. Maybe it could be more like the German or Japanese touring car series (you'll never mistake a BMW for an Audi TT). As for the greed factor, well, Bernie Ecclestone wrote the book on greed in motorsports. NASCAR is just following the formula.

[old-hermit]

Personally, I am looking forward to the day that all sports goes the way of the greedy corrupt boxing industry. Let it all go to “Pay per viewâ€.

NASCAR = Professional Wrestling on wheels.

I quit watching when the crew cheifs started making deals for lead laps so their drivers could stay in the points.

Drag racing is going the same way. Gazillion dollar teams/cars that are identical.

If ya wanna watch real racing check out your local tracks. Weekend warriors having fun.

Hurray for Revell and I hope the rest of the model companies follow their lead.

[Joe Nunes]

After reading this entire thread I am absolutely amazed!!!!...no one seems sorry to read the Revell news... the news for what it REALLY is...GOOD FOR YOU!!

Joe

[Scalefinishes]

If Revell is no longer making nascar, then WHERE'S MY ZR1?

Everyone here has seen the posts about what we want the model companies to make. Hopefully this is the first step in making some of those kits a reality.

Who cares about NASCAR anyway? A V8 carberated, RWD Camry, Okay.

IMHO.

Jameston

[Nick F40]

NASCAR = Professional Wrestling on wheels.

I quit watching when the crew cheifs started making deals for lead laps so their drivers could stay in the points.

Drag racing is going the same way. Gazillion dollar teams/cars that are identical.

If ya wanna watch real racing check out your local tracks. Weekend warriors having fun.

Hurray for Revell and I hope the rest of the model companies follow their lead.

YUP

my point

"Who cares about NASCAR anyway? A V8 carberated, RWD Camry, Okay."

my point

Big Bill France would be rolling in his grave if he knew what hisgrandson has done to the sport (thanks to his greed).

MY POINT!

Now before you start going off on me, F1 has gotten bad too, but Touring Cars and rally oh yeah, and the kicker is

They look like the production cars and have the same engines tadoy

[bigphoto]

only Seattle Seahawks football games...and I gave up on them months ago....

Try being a Lions fan

So as not to change the subject will this affect the 57 Chevy "Black Widow" ?

As I want to build the Hollywood Knights version of the Project X car.

Edited December 10, 2008 by bigphoto

[Luc Janssens]

maybe they can use the "extra" budget to tool up some decent tires

[RadRidesByDan]

After reading this entire thread I am absolutely amazed!!!!...no one seems sorry to read the Revell news... the news for what it REALLY is...GOOD FOR YOU!!

Joe

Im not saying that Im not sorry....if NASCAR want more money for the same product that has been around for decades....and the 2 corporations couldnt come to an agreement.....neither one of them is the loser.......the consumer again pays for it. I see it this way....for some hard core NASCAR fans and builders, Revell stopping the production of those NASCAR kits, is like Revell stopping production on Muscle cars and HotRods for me. I would be angry if that I would be forced to stop building a style to my liking because of the almighty dollar at work again....and worst off, not being my choice. I feel bad for those who love to build NASCAR.

Lets hope AMT keep some of their NASCAR kits available even though they are not quite to the same level as the Revells

[roncomatic]

I'm a NASCAR fan... have been since the fifties. I'm not a bit surprised by the Revell announcement. And, while it saddens me to see them do it, I can't really blame them at all. As many others have pointed out, NASCAR ain't what it used to be. These days, when you buy a ticket to a NASCAR race you 'agree' that any photos you take belong to them. Any 'content' ... (descriptions, accounts of this game...etc.) are theirs. Of course, I don't know of any case where NASCAR has busted anyone for using an image taken at an event but it's probably happened. You also give NASCAR the right to use your 'likeness' in any manor they see fit and waive all rights to same. No libel claims against NASCAR... no matter what they do with your picture. They could make porn with it and you have no recourse.

Notice something there? It's all about them... it's all theirs. Nothing belongs to the lowly fan. Not even his or her own likeness.

The thing that gets me about the licensing deal is that each and every car is a rolling billboard. If you build a model of it, THAT also becomes a billboard for the same stuff. Goodyear wants extra bucks from Revell for the right to advertise Goodyear products. Frigging amazing!

We usually go to one race each year... been doing it for a long time and have had the same seats forever. We're seriously considering letting NASCAR sell those seats to someone else next year. Never mind the economy. The racing often sucks... and with the COT it's often impossible for me to pick out my favorite. All the cars look the same.

Maybe, Dale Jr. will dig up some more 'Back in the Day' tapes. If you're never seen a mid sixties or seventies NASCAR Grand National stocker dirt tracking around Darlington you haven't lived.

ron

[jamie]

"see it this way....for some hard core NASCAR fans and builders, Revell stopping the production of those NASCAR kits, is like Revell stopping production on Muscle cars and HotRods for me. I would be angry if that I would be forced to stop building a style to my liking because of the almighty dollar at work again....and worst off, not being my choice. I feel bad for those who love to build NASCAR."

I build NASCARS 99% of the time, and after reading the lame responses here, RadRidesByDan is the only one who gets it. I don't bother posting my builds on this forum because of the lack of responses.

I don't care what you guys think of NASCAR, just don't start bashing it like it's nothing. What if Revell was taking away '57 Chevys and RatRods? There would be 55,000 heart attacks from people on this board within an hour of the announcement. Do I enjoy building the things that you guys build? No. But do you hear me bashing anything? No. I understand that this forum is not geared towards NASCARS, and that's fine. To each their own. But after reading the ridiculous responses saying that it was about time that Revell cut the line, I couldn't help but chime in.

Later.

[Luc Janssens]

Posted on the Hyperscale board by Bob Johnson....

Probbly more than any of you guys, I really have had my heart in the Monogram stock car projects since 1981..after the 1981 Daytona 500 where the first in-car cameras debuted, it became apparent that new model kits of the "new gen" 11" wheelbase cars could be a whole new category following the IMSA Mustangs. One of the first individuals I met with was John Rddle,a NASCAR V.P. John like the idea and told me in July of 1981 that I should license directly with the team owners and NOT with NASCAR.. the first "deals" were with Bud Moore, Harry melling, Junior Johnson, and the Bob Tezak for 3% on a non-exclusive basis. AMT had the NASCAR license, but, you all know the quality of the Monogram kits just blew them out of the water.. NASCAR license be dammed.. the first tooling investment for 2 complete mold sets and a tire mold was $228K..... new cars were tooled subsequently as die-cast sales in the 1990's negatively affected kit sales (I designed revell collection and team caliber, so I contributed to the downfall as well).. Free spenders like Fred Waginals encouraged the teams to be greedy and real whores... lately, clowns like Equity Managememt have "piled on" for Chevy, Pontiac and Goodyear... and don't forget NASCAR and their share.. they have the UNMITIGATED GALL to claim they have rights to ANY stock car that has ever raced in a NASCAR event!!! Now, the total royalties are in the range of 20% to 22%.... if a model company nets 10% to 15% at the end of the year, it should be obvious that they lose money on every NASCAR kit that is sold....

Think about it next time.. look at the drivers with their fancy watches, big jets, million dollar coaches, and huge endorsement contracts.. teams with 500 employees and huge facilities.. it will all change in years to come.. just think of how many people learned about stock car racing with Monogram kits.... Guys like Fireball Roberts, Earnhardt, Joe Weatherly, Cale Yarrough were racers.. these new guys are entertainers..

The end of NASCAR kits is a true loss, but, the run was simply great and ALL OF YOU who built them benefitted from a great creative team at Monogram Models!!

Bob Johnson

Monogram 1974 -1991

Revell NASCAR kits

[Harry P.]

"see it this way....for some hard core NASCAR fans and builders, Revell stopping the production of those NASCAR kits, is like Revell stopping production on Muscle cars and HotRods for me. I would be angry if that I would be forced to stop building a style to my liking because of the almighty dollar at work again....and worst off, not being my choice. I feel bad for those who love to build NASCAR."

I build NASCARS 99% of the time, and after reading the lame responses here, RadRidesByDan is the only one who gets it. I don't bother posting my builds on this forum because of the lack of responses.

I don't care what you guys think of NASCAR, just don't start bashing it like it's nothing. What if Revell was taking away '57 Chevys and RatRods? There would be 55,000 heart attacks from people on this board within an hour of the announcement. Do I enjoy building the things that you guys build? No. But do you hear me bashing anything? No. I understand that this forum is not geared towards NASCARS, and that's fine. To each their own. But after reading the ridiculous responses saying that it was about time that Revell cut the line, I couldn't help but chime in.

Later.

Actually, if you read the "lame" responses more carefully you'll see that nobody is bashing the NASCAR builders out there...they're down on NASCAR itself, for all the reasons stated.

I don't think anyone here has ever bashed a fellow modeler who posted a NASCAR build here. NASCAR itself, yes... there are a lot of people who are fed up with NASCAR and what it has become. But nobody's bashing the people who like to build NASCAR models! If you don't want to post your models here because you think there's no interest, I'd say you're wrong. Obviously not everyone likes NASCAR models, but the fact is that there's a NASCAR section here... people who post and respond there are all obviously NASCAR modeling fans, wouldn't you think?

[CAL]

It seems that NASCAR peaked out about 1999, so it's no real surprise that Revell discontinued them. Even in the LHS the NASCAR selection has been very sparce the past few years.

Even the COT is about 40 years out of date. Ironic, hu?

Surprisingly SCCA sports car classes is the fast growing motorsport the past couple years running.

Edited December 10, 2008 by CAL

[CAL]

Actually, if you read the "lame" responses more carefully you'll see that nobody is bashing the NASCAR builders out there...they're down on NASCAR itself, for all the reasons stated.

I don't think anyone here has ever bashed a fellow modeler who posted a NASCAR build here. NASCAR itself, yes... there are a lot of people who are fed up with NASCAR and what it has become. But nobody's bashing the people who like to build NASCAR models! If you don't want to post your models here because you think there's no interest, I'd say you're wrong. Obviously not everyone likes NASCAR models, but the fact is that there's a NASCAR section here... people who post and respond there are all obviously NASCAR modeling fans, wouldn't you think?

I agree, I didn't read anything that was bashing NASCAR builders specifically either.

What is there "to get?"

[lordairgtar]

Try being a Lions fan

'Bout the same as being a Packer fan this year.

[Harry P.]

'Bout the same as being a Packer fan this year.

Yeah, good thing they got rid of that loser Favre, huh?

[David Thibodeau]

"see it this way....for some hard core NASCAR fans and builders, Revell stopping the production of those NASCAR kits, is like Revell stopping production on Muscle cars and HotRods for me. I would be angry if that I would be forced to stop building a style to my liking because of the almighty dollar at work again....and worst off, not being my choice. I feel bad for those who love to build NASCAR."

I build NASCARS 99% of the time, and after reading the lame responses here, RadRidesByDan is the only one who gets it. I don't bother posting my builds on this forum because of the lack of responses.

I don't care what you guys think of NASCAR, just don't start bashing it like it's nothing. What if Revell was taking away '57 Chevys and RatRods? There would be 55,000 heart attacks from people on this board within an hour of the announcement. Do I enjoy building the things that you guys build? No. But do you hear me bashing anything? No. I understand that this forum is not geared towards NASCARS, and that's fine. To each their own. But after reading the ridiculous responses saying that it was about time that Revell cut the line, I couldn't help but chime in.

Later.

To reinforce Jamie here, Nascar has become a Cash cow, a victim of its own creation, a sinking ship if you will but the fact is Jamie like myself love the CARS..... even the jelly bean all the same looking, Tuner fast & furious cars as you all call the COT. Regardless of how Nascar destroys itself as a sport... I enjoy building scale replicas of the cars that race in it PERIOD...... And Revell was the source and is now done. I read all of the responses and besides Jamie and I, I really didnt see anyone that was unhappy the kits wont be available. Just blantant hatred for the sport. Even if builders like myself and Jamie and a few others were not bashed. it is offensive in a way......... Or atleast enough to make me wonder if you all hated seeing my superdetailed builds such as the pirates of the carribean pontiac that was on here and in the magazine... or any of my stock builds............ I cant help but think twice about posting anything nascar related on this board in the future....

To sum it up.....

"Tell us Nascar fans and builders how you all REALLY Feel??"

DaveT