Moebius 1965 Chevy II Sedan Gasser - First Look Inside the Final Kit Release

[tim boyd]

Roger...been following your revisions with great interest and appreciation for your eye regarding this subject. 

I fully agree with your statements about the door frames having been revised to an unrealistically small vertical dimension and it appears to me that your above image reflects a very good compromise on that subject.  

However, I again want to mention my take on the subject of the top of door molding issue.  I don't have any 1/1 scale cars to inspect but from the extensive photography I researched back in November when addressing the way the tool was originally molded, it appeared to me that there was no molding at all atop the door skin and quarter panel at the bottom of the DLO /window openings on the base series 1965 Chevy II sedan body.  If you have 1/1 scale prototypes to observe on this and they reflect the degree of your added-back moldings in this area, I defer.  Just want to make sure that with all the efforts you are putting into your other revisions that you don't compromise authenticity here. 

Also, when studying 1/1 photography there is clearly a step upward in this top of door surface between the A-pillar and the rear vent window pillar,; e.g. there is a discernable molding along the bottom of the vent windows.  Again, you may want to take a look here before finishing up the bodywork.  

Really interested to see how this turns out and I really want to thank you for taking the time to share how you are going about your accuracy refinements.   Cheers...TIM 

[Plowboy]

43 minutes ago, tim boyd said:

However, I again want to mention my take on the subject of the top of door molding issue.  I don't have any 1/1 scale cars to inspect but from the extensive photography I researched back in November when addressing the way the tool was originally molded, it appeared to me that there was no molding at all atop the door skin and quarter panel at the bottom of the DLO /window openings on the base series 1965 Chevy II sedan body.  If you have 1/1 scale prototypes to observe on this and they reflect the degree of your added-back moldings in this area, I defer.  Just want to make sure that with all the efforts you are putting into your other revisions that you don't compromise authenticity here. 

Also, when studying 1/1 photography there is clearly a step upward in this top of door surface between the A-pillar and the rear vent window pillar,; e.g. there is a discernable molding along the bottom of the vent windows.  Again, you may want to take a look here before finishing up the bodywork.  

Really interested to see how this turns out and I really want to thank you for taking the time to share how you are going about your accuracy refinements.   Cheers...TIM 

Thanx Tim! I recently found some good photos that show details that I had missed before. This one shows the step up above the beltline well. Also, note the detail at the bottom of the C pillar. Something I also noticed in this photo is that the lip above the beltline is actually rounded instead of squared off like I have it currently. 

Here's a few more views.

Also, it looks like the B pillar is a little too vertical. I do still have to add the vent window detail to the A pillar section as well as the bottom. Still have a few tweaks to do here and there.

[slusher]

Looking forward to you shoooting primer on it..

[Plowboy]

I got some primer shot on the Nova. Besides the rushed/rough work at the base of the C pillars, I'm pretty happy with the way it looks. I'm going to have to erase the work at the base of the C pillars and start over. I also need to make an adjustment on the trailing edge of the C pillars. I also need to do some more sanding on the roof. It still has too much crown on the sides.

The overhead view of the roof is much better. 

[slusher]

Much better Roger!

[Plowboy]

Thanx Carl! I've took this thing about as far as my abilities and patience will allow. I have a few little nit picky things to take care of and it should be ready for final primer and paint. One of the nit picky things is the gas cap. It's crooked! So, I'm going to eliminate it since I plan on building it as a pro street. It's still not what I would call accurate. But, it's a lot closer than it was!

 

 

[slusher]

I picked up the gasser when I can get to it . I am really slow do to my hands and MS..

[Plowboy]

20 hours ago, slusher said:

I picked up the gasser when I can get to it . I am really slow do to my hands and MS..

Doesn’t matter how long it takes. It takes me a while too. A week used to be a long time for me. Now, a month is a quick build for me. If I can build one in a month. I look forward to seeing how you build it. I know it'll have a killer paint job!

[Mr mopar]

I finely scored one of these kits in Canada about time !

[Luc Janssens]

3 hours ago, Mr mopar said:

I finely scored one of these kits in Canada about time !

Ditto in Belgium, from a Dutch vendor.

[Mr mopar]

21 hours ago, Luc Janssens said:

Ditto in Belgium, from a Dutch vendor.

I got one more to pick up soon and the stock one too  at my LHS !

[1972coronet]

At the risk of swatting at the hornets' nest: the roof is terrible. It's one thing to peruse photos of the roof, and another thing to see that rascal in person. I can overlook any of the other proportion flaws (needn't recount them here), but that backlight-C-pillar-rear-roof area is just plain "Palmer" (there, I said it!). 

Eventually, I'll bash it with the AMT 1963 Nova Wagon. I'm waiting to see the outcome of Mr. Metallic's bash of the same two kits before I start slinging plastic.

[Luc Janssens]

25 minutes ago, 1972coronet said:

At the risk of swatting at the hornets' nest: the roof is terrible. It's one thing to peruse photos of the roof, and another thing to see that rascal in person. I can overlook any of the other proportion flaws (needn't recount them here), but that backlight-C-pillar-rear-roof area is just plain "Palmer" (there, I said it!). 

Eventually, I'll bash it with the AMT 1963 Nova Wagon. I'm waiting to see the outcome of Mr. Metallic's bash of the same two kits before I start slinging plastic.

Well I think everyone knows by now....it's a pitty but it happened.

Why did it happen, dunno....cuz the 3D print shown initially didn't seem to have the chopped roof look, did the Chinese thoght the coup roof shoulda have the same height as the H/T and changed it because they felt they had to?

Anyway....like I said; everyone knows by now, water under the bridge, time to move on and hopefully lessons learned.

Cheers

Luc

[mk11]

On 3/21/2022 at 11:23 PM, Plowboy said:

When a backlight is over eight scale inches too narrow, that's a huge blunder by anyone's standard.  

 

On 3/22/2022 at 8:43 AM, Casey said:

... as a neutral observer and someone who can be impartial, how else am I to judge a company's merits other than by the finished products they sell? Nobody forced nor coerced Moebius into creating two all new early Nova kits. I love that they made an attempt to correct things, but they had to have been aware ...

Seems to maybe be a pattern; a continuation from precedent set on an earlier subject release  

They are a busy company, after all, with many things on the go; between vehicles and fantasy products, it's not surprising that an artistic impression slips through occasionally. Not that it's good for the reputation, mind you   

Edited April 11, 2022 by mk11

[Plowboy]

1 hour ago, Luc Janssens said:

Well I think everyone knows by now....it's a pitty but it happened.

Why did it happen, dunno....cuz the 3D print shown initially didn't seem to have the chopped roof look, did the Chinese thoght the coup roof shoulda have the same height as the H/T and changed it because they felt they had to?

Anyway....like I said; everyone knows by now, water under the bridge, time to move on and hopefully lessons learned.

Cheers

Luc

Sorry, but the Chinese that cut the tooling aren't to blame. Someone from Moebius had to approve this mess. They botch kits over and over. People make excuses, blame the Chinese and buy them anyway. As long as this process continues, there's no reason for them to do better. Until they do, I'll vote with my wallet and suggest that everyone that cares about accuracy do the same. When a kit company can't even get a gas cap on straight, they have some serious issues!

 

[Luc Janssens]

8 minutes ago, Plowboy said:

Sorry, but the Chinese that cut the tooling aren't to blame. Someone from Moebius had to approve this mess. They botch kits over and over. People make excuses, blame the Chinese and buy them anyway. As long as this process continues, there's no reason for them to do better. Until they do, I'll vote with my wallet and suggest that everyone that cares about accuracy do the same. When a kit company can't even get a gas cap on straight, they have some serious issues!

 

Well it's easy for us not involved, saying what to do or not, while I'm sure the people involved are fighting an uphill battle to get product on the shelfs to get ROI.

But, I'm sure lessons are learned and more or better evaluation tools/procedures will be implemented in the roadmap towards future releases.

So try to be positive, the world as is today, is bad enough

 

Cheers

Luc

[bobthehobbyguy]

On 4/9/2022 at 11:12 AM, Luc Janssens said:

Well it's easy for us not involved, saying what to do or not, while I'm sure the people involved are fighting an uphill battle to get product on the shelfs to get ROI.

But, I'm sure lessons are learned and more or better evaluation tools/procedures will be implemented in the roadmap towards future releases.

So try to be positive, the world as is today, is bad enough

 

Cheers

Luc

 

On 3/22/2022 at 7:56 AM, SteveG said:

Without getting too technical into body tooling design, I can tell you that the tooling changes that were made were done within the limitations of what was already cut.  The cost of doing that was not cheap by any means.  The alternative would a have been scrapping that body tool and making another which would have added around 50K to the cost and would have set the project back many months or they could have just done nothing and went forward with it as it was.   While not perfect by any means,  I think they made the right call.   

As for 3D scanning all the new projects, I think we'll get there eventually but were not there yet.  I can tell you that the early development of the Moebius Chevy II kits goes back a whole lot farther than most people know.  Long before the new ownership OK'd moving forward on the project.  I doubt they would have approved it if they had to start from scratch.  

-Steve

 

I think that 3d scanning will definitely help. However one of the limitations has been the necessity to use powder to get a good scan. That is not something that every car owner may not want to have done. 

For the most part the budgets dictate what can and cannot be done. The majority if the buyers are just not going to care. 

 

[mademan]

On 4/9/2022 at 11:51 AM, Plowboy said:

Sorry, but the Chinese that cut the tooling aren't to blame. Someone from Moebius had to approve this mess. They botch kits over and over. People make excuses, blame the Chinese and buy them anyway. As long as this process continues, there's no reason for them to do better. Until they do, I'll vote with my wallet and suggest that everyone that cares about accuracy do the same. When a kit company can't even get a gas cap on straight, they have some serious issues!

 

As someone who owns currently around 45 62-65 Nova and Acadian 1:1s.... id venture a guess that none of them have a straight gas cap. My 63 Hardtop has new quarters and the way the fill tube is...... the cap is slightly crooked..

[stavanzer]

Nice to see that the Furor over this kit has died down some. It appears to be sold out almost everywhere, and the ones that got purchased appear to to have moved onto a lot of workbenches.

I am holding out for one of the Second Run of the Gasser kits.