Auto recalls deluxe

[bobthehobbyguy]

So you bought that new car to replace your old one that was getting a bit long in the tooth.

Congratulations you've got the added feature of dealing with a recall. And its more than likely you could get seriously ingured to boot.

https://www.komando.com/technology/vehicle-recall-warnings/845614/

[Oldcarfan27]

With the kinds of problems they're having, you'd think they just began building cars recently.

Never understood how they can have recalls on things they've been doing for decades. I mean really - failing window seals? seat belt retractors? automatic daytime running lamp failure? Electronics overheating under the back seat?

I'm surprised they don't have recalls on the redesigned wheel, where they keep getting stuck on the FLAT sides!

No need to worry, you can't buy a new car anyway, your dealership doesn't have any cars on their lot to sell. There are no computer chips available. 

At least we have plenty of foolproof electric cars around. 

What???

[Mark]

It used to be that a lot of people would avoid buying a car in its first model year, or the first year of a new generation, figuring it took the first model year for the manufacturer to get it sorted out.

Now, the longer a car is in production, the more chances a manufacturer has to de-content it, come up with cheaper parts and materials for it, and generally mess it up.

[mikemodeler]

One thing to remember, no matter who the car manufacturer is, the parts are supplied by hundreds of different vendors and it's the lowest bidder who gets the contract. Some suppliers tend to be better than others but the lower quality ones will fade away if they lose enough business. And they are tasked with manufacturing a part to the OE spec which often changes as the vehicles are on the road in real life situations. And some of the features or content is dictated by Federal Government agencies that lack real manufacturing experience, but are there for the purpose of keeping us safe.

 

And just like when someone says "Military Grade (fill in the blank product)" the military also defaults to the lowest bidder so remember there's a minimum performance expectation with a cheap price. Of course those $600 space shuttle screwdrivers are much better than what any tool truck rep can sell you!

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[BlackSheep214]

A majority of the time you will get a recall notification in the mail. I got one not too long ago on my 2013 Ford Escape; which I no longer own. So in the garbage it went. Not my problem anymore. LOL!

[Oldcarfan27]

[iamsuperdan]

On 7/15/2022 at 5:23 PM, mikemodeler said:

One thing to remember, no matter who the car manufacturer is, the parts are supplied by hundreds of different vendors and it's the lowest bidder who gets the contract. Some suppliers tend to be better than others but the lower quality ones will fade away if they lose enough business. And they are tasked with manufacturing a part to the OE spec which often changes as the vehicles are on the road in real life situations. And some of the features or content is dictated by Federal Government agencies that lack real manufacturing experience, but are there for the purpose of keeping us safe.

 

And just like when someone says "Military Grade (fill in the blank product)" the military also defaults to the lowest bidder so remember there's a minimum performance expectation with a cheap price. Of course those $600 space shuttle screwdrivers are much better than what any tool truck rep can sell you!

 

 

Actually, it would probably surprise you how small the number of suppliers actually is. Yes, there are still a ton of vendors, but the majority of things in modern cars come from the same suppliers. 

 

A company like Magna supplies everything from seat foam to body panels to computer systems and dozens of other components. And Magna supplies to Ford, GM, FCA (Chrysler,) BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Tesla, VW group, etc.

Bosch still provides electronics to just about everyone. As does Delco.

 

We've had a chip shortage because there are only 2 or 3 active chip manufacturers in the world. And they're all in the same country. That's changing, but for decades, that's how it was.

 

Back in 2012 or so, after the Japanese tsunami, there was a shortage of metallic paint that affected Ford, Toyota, GM, Nissan, Chrysler, and more. Ford trucks for a short time were only available in white, black, red, and silver. One factory in Japan supplied the metallic flakes used in automotive paint. And it went offline. 

 

This is part of the reason so many brands have had supply chain issues over the past two years. When you put all of your eggs in one basket, and then there's a problem with that basket...

 

 

[mikemodeler]

17 hours ago, iamsuperdan said:

 

Actually, it would probably surprise you how small the number of suppliers actually is. Yes, there are still a ton of vendors, but the majority of things in modern cars come from the same suppliers. 

 

A company like Magna supplies everything from seat foam to body panels to computer systems and dozens of other components. And Magna supplies to Ford, GM, FCA (Chrysler,) BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Tesla, VW group, etc.

Bosch still provides electronics to just about everyone. As does Delco.

 

We've had a chip shortage because there are only 2 or 3 active chip manufacturers in the world. And they're all in the same country. That's changing, but for decades, that's how it was.

 

Back in 2012 or so, after the Japanese tsunami, there was a shortage of metallic paint that affected Ford, Toyota, GM, Nissan, Chrysler, and more. Ford trucks for a short time were only available in white, black, red, and silver. One factory in Japan supplied the metallic flakes used in automotive paint. And it went offline. 

 

This is part of the reason so many brands have had supply chain issues over the past two years. When you put all of your eggs in one basket, and then there's a problem with that basket...

 

 

Working for the sixth largest OE parts supplier/manufacturer in the world, I think I can say that the interruption in the supply of new cars is not tied to having eggs in one basket but rather the effects having manufacturing plants around the world that have different government regulations. The Covid pandemic had different governments enacting different rules, sometimes regional, that caused massive disruption in production. Many parts in a vehicle are a combination of several suppliers that result in assemblies, and those parts come from all over. When one country shuts down, the parts produced there cannot be shipped to other plants so the domino effect is huge.