unclescott58 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) When was this last reissued? I remember the Satellite kit issued back in the 80's. But, beyond that? Somehow I missed the '71 GTX. Now I've got to hunt one down. Edited January 11, 2018 by unclescott58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclescott58 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, unclescott58 said: When was this last reissued? I remember the Satellite kit issued back in the 80's. But, beyond that? Somehow I missed the '71 GTX. Now I've got to hunt one down. A quick hunt. Found one on eBay right away. So I purchased one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 1:49 PM, Mark said: The Studebaker body tool was likely new, but was based on a wooden master done at Revell for a stock '53 Stude kit. Revell stopped work on theirs upon seeing AMT's kit at a trade show. When Revell dropped their Studebaker kit, the masters for some of the parts were likely done but had probably not yet progressed to the toolmaking stage. Had Revell done a stock kit, might it have had opening doors and trunk like other car kits they were making in the '63-'66 period? The Miss Deal chassis is NOT new; it is an extensive rework of the Parts Pack custom chassis (actually a C1 Corvette unit). A few new parts were tooled: roll cage, seat, rear suspension, likely a few others. But the wheels, engine, front suspension, and frame were based on tooling for Parts Packs that were no longer being offered by then. I recall hearing something about that Studebaker sedan/post body previously, and it may have from one of your posts, Mark, but thanks for the backstory. The chassis looks really worked over, but the two braces forward of the rear axle kick-up do appear to be the same: The Blown '58 Chrysler V-8 Engine, Custom Car Frame, and Drag Racing Wheels were the Parts Packs which were pirated, and at least some part of each re-used as part of the Miss Deal kit if I understand correctly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Janssens Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 On 10-1-2018 at 10:31 PM, Mark said: Maybe there is one that just never got released. I've got a bagged test shot of the Monogram '64 GTO that includes the optional "street machine" parts; I got it long before the 2-in-1 version was released... On 10-1-2018 at 10:26 PM, Art Anderson said: Luc, it is quite possible that no "2nd Version" was planned back at that time. While Monogram did have a tradition of at least designing a "second edition" of model kits, I don't believe that was an ironclad thing. (Too bad Bill Lastovich is no longer around--he was my guru, my pipeline into what was happening at Monogram, back in the 80's) Art I remember when the 2'n 1 Revell (ex Monogram) '69 Coronet came out(2001), Dean Milano stating, that it was the first time, that the street machine parts were included, which were tooled when the kit was designed back in the '80s . So to me it's doubtful that the same MO wasn't applied when designing the Satellite, now those street machine parts inserts could have been scarified when the kit got retooled into a GTX and released in a Revell wrapper in '95. Monogram Kit Revell re-box with the street machine Parts Photo's courtesy of Scalemates https://www.scalemates.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim boyd Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 2:49 PM, Mark said: The Studebaker body tool was likely new, but was based on a wooden master done at Revell for a stock '53 Stude kit. Revell stopped work on theirs upon seeing AMT's kit at a trade show. When Revell dropped their Studebaker kit, the masters for some of the parts were likely done but had probably not yet progressed to the toolmaking stage. Had Revell done a stock kit, might it have had opening doors and trunk like other car kits they were making in the '63-'66 period? The Miss Deal chassis is NOT new; it is an extensive rework of the Parts Pack custom chassis (actually a C1 Corvette unit). A few new parts were tooled: roll cage, seat, rear suspension, likely a few others. But the wheels, engine, front suspension, and frame were based on tooling for Parts Packs that were no longer being offered by then. Here's a photo of the original 1/10th scale master for Revell's stillborn 1/25th scale 1953 Studebaker kit. After the kit was cancelled, the master was rejiggered (including front and rear wheels moved forward in A/FX style) for the "Miss Deal" release in 1967. This artifact is on display at the International Model Car Museum near Salt Lake City, Utah. TIM More from the International Model Car Museum at this link..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Battista Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, tim boyd said: More from the International Model Car Museum at this link..... Thanks for the link. Enjoyed the pics , thanks for sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumpyDan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Well that was a lot of fun, thanks all you guys with all that info. Would love to read more stories like this before they are all lost and forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 7 hours ago, Luc Janssens said: So to me it's doubtful that the same MO wasn't applied when designing the Satellite, now those street machine parts inserts could have been scarified when the kit got retooled into a GTX and released in a Revell wrapper in '95. Applying the same logic, shouldn't there have been Street Machine options for Monogram's '70 Superbird and '70 Pontiac Trans Am kits too? I wouldn't include the '70 Road Runner as it was created long after the other '80s Monogram Mopar musclecar releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highway Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Casey said: Applying the same logic, shouldn't there have been Street Machine options for Monogram's '70 Superbird.......... I think it would be even more logical for there to be a 426 Hemi to match all the racing decals they waste ink on when the kit has a 440! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Janssens Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 44 minutes ago, Casey said: Applying the same logic, shouldn't there have been Street Machine options for Monogram's '70 Superbird and '70 Pontiac Trans Am kits too? I wouldn't include the '70 Road Runner as it was created long after the other '80s Monogram Mopar musclecar releases. The original Monogram '70 GTX, had a Street Machine sibling, molded in blue, the Superbird was a sibling from the GTX tool too. The '70 Pontiac Trans AM, hmm...good one Casey....another one for Bob Johnson, if someone here has contact info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
440 Dakota Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) there was also the Challenger street machine 2n1 after the Challenger T/A version and the Buick GSX first GSX then street machine, but funny they did the 71 Cuda as separate releases first the shaker hood orange car then the street machine twin scoop hood black car Edited January 14, 2018 by 440 Dakota mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 The '70 T/A is a rework/backdate of the Monogram '80 Turbo T/A...maybe the "second version" wasn't part of the plan for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Janssens Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mark said: The '70 T/A is a rework/backdate of the Monogram '80 Turbo T/A...maybe the "second version" wasn't part of the plan for it. Indeed, I knew that, but somehow forgot....must be getting old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
440 Dakota Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 thinking about it a few minutes the 64 GTO same thing a later strret machine version and there were a few later 3n1s 79 Camaro and 70 Chevelle come to mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Janssens Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, 440 Dakota said: thinking about it a few minutes the 64 GTO same thing a later strret machine version and there were a few later 3n1s 79 Camaro and 70 Chevelle come to mind there was a '78 Firebird 2'n 1 too, warbird it was called IIRC, the rear tires of that one and the Camaro ended up in the Ford F-250/350 pickup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 08/12/2006 at 11:24 PM, Biscuitbuilder said: More than once when I was at Playing Mantis, for example, we had to face the implied insistence from retail buyers that a model kit box be just a little bit smaller, a blister card adjusted so that more pegs could be used on a hanging display. Yet, as a manufacturer, we wanted a larger package, giving us more "presence", more visibility--so we had to meet somewhere in the middle. Believe me, when Walmart speaks, model kit (and other) manufacturers LISTEN. A lot of product sales hang in the balance there. And what a sterling job they do in this respect lately. Not only gives me this the opportunity to avoid unneccessary rubbish, it also demonstrates their deep concern with retailers' - and most of all my - real estate. It also saves a large portion of cartonage (read: trees), printing, warehouse space, fuel and soon the term 'air mail' has to be redefined in the otherwise way too stout and rigid Encyclopedia Britannica, since air is what's predominantly mailed around nowadays. I could not possibly have come up with a better concept to maximise profit, while at the same time lower the cost for the end user and reduce the carbon footprint in the process. Walmart et al can sod right off! Where is Ralph Nader when we need him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike999 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 5 hours ago, Junkman said: And what a sterling job they do in this respect lately... and soon the term 'air mail' has to be redefined in the otherwise way too stout and rigid Encyclopedia Britannica, since air is what's predominantly mailed around nowadays. Some eBay vendors in places like Ukraine have a work-around for that: they flatten the original kit boxes and put the sprues in a smaller box for shipping. At least one Ukrainian company, ICM, tends to put small kits in big boxes. Those vendors also warn buyers that they do not put an Invoice in the shipping box. That keeps nosy Customs inspectors from figuring out the real vs. declared value of the shipment. I saw an eBay listing just yesterday where the seller mentioned those 2 things, and laughed. Years ago I ordered some kits from Ukraine and they were shipped with the flattened boxes. It confused me for a minute when I opened the box but it was pretty easy to figure out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 7:49 AM, tim boyd said: Here's a photo of the original 1/10th scale master for Revell's stillborn 1/25th scale 1953 Studebaker kit. Thanks for posting that, Tim...I need to get my butt to Sandy at some point to check out the Museum. I think Jesse/Daddyfink may have posted some pics if the 1/10 Revell Attempt 1 master being loaded up to head to Utah from Tom West's(?) place a few years ago? I recall that dull black finish on the master and a black early Ranchero... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim boyd Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 6 hours ago, Casey said: Thanks for posting that, Tim...I need to get my butt to Sandy at some point to check out the Museum. I think Jesse/Daddyfink may have posted some pics if the 1/10 Revell Attempt 1 master being loaded up to head to Utah from Tom West's(?) place a few years ago? I recall that dull black finish on the master and a black early Ranchero... Casey....yeah....I vaguely recall photos like that too. Yeah again...anyone who fancies themselves a serious model car builder needs to get to the International Model Car Museum at some point in their life. It is an amazing place to be sure. TIM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, tim boyd said: Casey....yeah....I vaguely recall photos like that too. Found 'em: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 1:26 PM, Mark said: The '70 T/A is a rework/backdate of the Monogram '80 Turbo T/A...maybe the "second version" wasn't part of the plan for it. I had no idea. Probably not on the second version then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) . Edited February 6, 2018 by Casey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 On 1/14/2018 at 7:49 AM, tim boyd said: Here's a photo of the original 1/10th scale master for Revell's stillborn 1/25th scale 1953 Studebaker kit. After the kit was cancelled, the master was rejiggered (including front and rear wheels moved forward in A/FX style) for the "Miss Deal" release in 1967. This artifact is on display at the International Model Car Museum near Salt Lake City, Utah. TIM More from the International Model Car Museum at this link..... Now, with video: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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