ra7c7er Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 It seems like contest builders are a bit more crass than everyone else. I think it's the "I'm better than you" attitude that they tend to get after a while. You can see it all over at contests and shows for anything. Car contests, racing, sports, etc. They all have people like that. I tend to just stay away from them but they really do bring things down for everyone.
highway Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 It seems like contest builders are a bit more crass than everyone else. I think it's the "I'm better than you" attitude that they tend to get after a while. You can see it all over at contests and shows for anything. Car contests, racing, sports, etc. They all have people like that. I tend to just stay away from them but they really do bring things down for everyone. There may be a select few who fit your category, Robert, but I for one feel that is not true. I was a contest builder, and for that fact a contest winner quite a few times, and I NEVER had nor will ever have, if I ever can attend another contest, the "I'm better than you" attitude. In fact, I'd probably be the first to point all the flaws out to you in my build!
Chuck Most Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 In fact, I'd probably be the first to point all the flaws out to you in my build! Hey... I'M that guy!!!!
LAone Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 i have only gone to 2 model car shows. i too bumped into guys like this. they don't really bother me, but it would be nice to not be treated like im bothering them. what really sucks, it's mostly the guys that belong to a club that act like their you know what don't stink. i took my wife and she could also see which ones they were and you know what, she was right every time. dave cruz of redlands ca, is one guy i met. super cool cat. he had some builds that won and is also a vendor. but non of that mattered, he was just cool as ice to this first time participator.
Danno Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 I've judged two contests in the past & as I said usually attend two contests each year, & I've never seen that attitude of which you speak. We have regional & national contest winners that post here that don't have that attitude. That's an awfully broad brush you're painting people with, one with which you've used to describe people on this forum, (& in the hobby in general), in the past. It seems that your issues might be more your perceptions & less how other people actually are. I've also been in three different model clubs over the years & have yet to see that sort of "cliquish mentality" in any of those as well. I honestly don't understand where you're drawing your conclusions from. I've met about eight people in person that I first knew on this forum & they are all great guys. Again I fail to see how you've gotten such conclusions unless it is your own perceptions. Great way of putting it Matthew, & the type of attitude I've seen more often in contests in real life myself. I've been involved in scores of contests over the years, from spectating to competing, to judging, to promoting. I've only ever encountered a very, very small percentage of 'cliquish' people. And, I've only EVER met a couple of persons as vile as ra7c7er described ~~ but one of those guys was/is the same in every aspect of his life. Modeling was not at fault.
ra7c7er Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) I've judged two contests in the past & as I said usually attend two contests each year, & I've never seen that attitude of which you speak. We have regional & national contest winners that post here that don't have that attitude. That's an awfully broad brush you're painting people with, one with which you've used to describe people on this forum, (& in the hobby in general), in the past. It seems that your issues might be more your perceptions & less how other people actually are. I've also been in three different model clubs over the years & have yet to see that sort of "cliquish mentality" in any of those as well. I honestly don't understand where you're drawing your conclusions from. I've met about eight people in person that I first knew on this forum & they are all great guys. Again I fail to see how you've gotten such conclusions unless it is your own perceptions. I've judged many contests in many different arenas and they ALL have people like this. I was not using a broad brush about everyone I was saying SOME people just get very bad attitude about whatever they are doing. It tends to come with the territory of competition. I have also seen the "Cliquish mentality" too. If you can't see it or have never seen it it's probably because you have been around it for long enough that you don't see it. Heck you can find the "I'm better mentality" and the "Cliquish mentality" all over the boards here. Their are bad apples in every bunch. You just have to hope the bad apples don't spoil it for new people. I've been involved in scores of contests over the years, from spectating to competing, to judging, to promoting. I've only ever encountered a very, very small percentage of 'cliquish' people. And, I've only EVER met a couple of persons as vile as ra7c7er described ~~ but one of those guys was/is the same in every aspect of his life. Modeling was not at fault. Who did I describe that was vile? all I said was some people get a "I'm better than you attitude" and I NEVER said it modelings fault. Edited March 28, 2011 by ra7c7er
DRG Posted March 28, 2011 Author Posted March 28, 2011 This is the last comment I will make on this subject. First of all I agree that everyone is entitled to his own opinion and thoughts. But I will also agree that there are times when our pre-conceived thoughts only serve to bring them to reality. I went to the car show for several reasons, one of which was to see the models, meet fellow modelers and perhaps learn something about modeling. It seems to me that if a Club is going to put on a model display they need people working it that are knowledgeable about models, are friendly and really want to promote this hobby. A good example would be the recent show held in Columbus, Ohio sponsored by Buckeye Auto Club. ( not sure that name is correct) From all reports the show was a success. Friendly people, great models and a lot of vendors. This type of show PROMOTES the hobby. But then that's just my opinion.
spkgibson Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 Come on guys, Lets not have a war of words start up again, I have read through this entire thread, You have to relize that not everyone will see eye to eye on particular statements , Or comments ,Or even new kit ideas for that matter, But when some people try to belittle you on certain topics, Thats showing a lack of respect for you, And shows just the type of person they truly are. If You want respect from others give it , If you're unable to do so , Then keep your dirt to yourself, And get it worked out in PM's not for the entire forum to read. That type of behavior is making a mockery out of this forum, And personally I'm suprized alot of the people that do so haven't been banned off of here, This supposed to be about building models ,Giving tips, And enjoying the hobby, Not a slam fest , No one in this entire world is better then anyone else, We are all human beings , And breath the same air. Yes there is alot of more experienced modelers on here, But lets not let the Egos get in the way, I enjoy looking at EVERYONES work on here, If I make a mistake in a build i'm working on, Please tell me so I can figure out a way to rectify the flaws, And make a much better build, Alot of people on here are just to thin skinned. And by no means what so ever am I derecting my statements at anyone. Enjoy the hobby. And knock off all the drama that goes on. It's not helping matters at all, You will run into rude people everywhere you go, And just because you can hide behind a computer does'nt give anyone the right to sit here and slam people, If that type of behavior was done in person there would be alot of problems in the world. And also you cannot change someones oppinion on certain issues they are intitled to it, It's called freedom of speech , I think thats in the constitution if i'm not mistaking. I wrote my Novel for the day, Get along guys!
von Zipper Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 Again directly quoting you, when someone comes in with what appears to be a chip on their shoulder This came to mind....... It's funny to me that Don started this tread about people being un-friendly to him and his wife at a car show last week end. Don seems like a nice guy ......yet LOW and BEHOLD his thread gets un-friendy with in 2 pages ????? Here's a picture of a model-->
Danno Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 Yes! That is a very nice Kurtis, Zipper! Thanks for posting it.
von Zipper Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 Yes! That is a very nice Kurtis, Zipper! Thanks for posting it. THANK YOU ! I'm glad you like it !! And because you're so FRIENDLY, Here's a few more shots--> DISCLAIMER: No feeling were hurt in the posting of these picture.
Harry P. Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 A. Everyone has their own opinion, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and everyone's opinion is equally valid. B. There's no accounting for taste. C. One man's meat is another man's poison. D. One man's treasure is another man's trash. We all already know that. So let's stop rehashing the obvious and get on with model stuff.
Harry P. Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 Anyone who's not on board by now regarding obvious thruths like that is probably never going to be on board... so no use even trying to talk sense to them. They're living in a world of their own...
ra7c7er Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) It's sad that because I left out ONE word three different posters bashed me and YES i perceived it as bashing and felt as though it was. One of which has bashed me on several other topics also. All I am saying is that their are I'm better than you people involved in EVERYTHING where competition is involved. I never said ALL modelers were that way and I never said it was modelings fault. As for my comment about not seeing the "I'm better than you" and the cliquish people anymore that Bluesman Mark wrote about. I wasn't saying anything against him I wrote that because from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I have become that way where those types of people are involved. You want to see a "I'm better than you" and Cliquish group of people try umpiring little league. It's horrible probably worse their than with anything else I have ever seen including short track racing which I also officiate. After 11 years of umpiring though I don't see it as much NOT because it isn't their but because I am used to it. It's not a normal baseball season if someone doesn't throw a soda at me to cuss at me or tell me they will meet me in the parking lot after the game. Heck last year I was punched in the face (broke my orbital bone) in a grocery store by a sore loser dad that had a beef with me from a game that was played two weeks prior. Now granted those are the extreme of the bad attitude that competition brings out but bad attitudes don't have to be that bad to make a huge difference as to how others perceive a large group. Just like the squeaky wheel gets the grease the bad apple is remembered far longer than the rest of the bunch. That is fact no matter what facet of life you look at. I have been to several model competitions and clubs and for the most part they have been great experiences and I have never really seen any bad attitude besides old people being set in their ways which I find funny but I have seen some people who were a bit to wrapped up in competition and really needed to chill. Edited March 29, 2011 by ra7c7er
Brokentail58 Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 I can't tell you how many times I've seen a really cool car at a car show, and when I approach it's a clear shot but as i raise my camara a crowd suddenly closes in completely oblivious to me. One time I was asked by a friend what he can do to ensure his car draws a crowd I responded, have me aim a camara at it. My brother is a photographer for a car mag. I will go to shows with him when I can . We work as a team when he needs to shoot a car around a lot of people. He will set up his shot and I become a human blockade. It usually works well. It also helps that we are each 6' 2" and about 280 pounds. Most of the people steer clear of us.
Jordan White Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Knock it off! No Gregg, that's why we're all so angry, we keep knocking stuff off the table!
whale392 Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Hey Donald, thanks for the nod to our show (Buckeye Scale Auto Classic). We tried our best to do what we could for everyone involved. The real reason we put it on was for the modelers and the support systems for them (vendors!). We wanted everyone who came to feel the same way we do about the hobby; we love it and all that goes with it. To be honest, I (and a few others) were worried that it wouldn't go too well (or at all). Luckily, we were wrong in that thought. What made it work? Everyone there was talking to each other, intermixing and talking model shop. Vendors, contestants, hosts, and their significant others all on the same page talking about a shared passion. If it weren't for all of you, the show would have been for nothing. We as a club thank you deeply, and I can say it was very nice to meet and talk to some of you in person. The jovial spirit was definately there! There will be foul tempers and attitudes everywhere one goes, and no one is safe from them. All anyone can do is look past it and move on. We may have disagreements once in a while, but we all do share a passion for this hobby (sometimes it is the root of the disagreements!). As long as we remember that, we will all be OK.
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