Monty Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 First, I'm confining the field to 1/25 and 1/24 scale cars, since that's what the majority of us build. By "better versions" I mean small but important things like bumpers not being attached to grilles, separate engine bay components, poseable front wheels & a chassis with no molded-in exhaust or suspension. (Quick example: Revell's '69 Charger proves this is all quite feasible). And above all, no metal axles through the engine block. OK, on to the cars: 1) The '65/'66 Ford Mustang fastback (your choice). The only fastback I can think of is Monogram's 1/24 Shelby GT350, which, while nice, doesn't allow you to build a stock Ford Mustang fastback. AMT offered a fastback gasser-type AWB Mustang way back when, as well as the '66 coupe and the Sonny and Cher Mustangs, and for those sins I think their penance should be to create a spectacular '65/'66 fastback. 2) The '63 Corvette coupe. Yeah, I can hear ya whinin' already: "There's too many Corvettes already, and besides, AMT and Revell already offer this." Read my opening paragraph again, then look at the AMT chassis. If you've ever seen what a correctly detailed IRS can do for a chassis (steet rod or 'Vette) you'll know why I'm making this point. As for what I think of snap kits, well...just think how you'd condense the instructions for suppositories into one pithy phrase. Revell/Monogram have already done some of the other C2s, so this shouldn't be much a stretch IMO. What would you add, and why? (I'm betting the Mopar guys are the first ones in regarding the 'Cuda fiasco).
Guest Markus355 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 jade idol. Cause winfields the man and its one of the best looking kustoms ever built.
Luc Janssens Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I'm not sure I understand your question, you ask for little updates but then quote all new tooling.... So I'm gonna tread this as, "what existing kit would you like to have retooled" type of question. Well...at the moment a '67 GTO will do just fine
Guest Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 There are at least 4 versions of the '65-66 Mustang from Revellogram the GT 350 the GT 350 Hertz the GT 350 R the 2+2 which is stock
Darin Bastedo Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 There are at least 4 versions of the '65-66 Mustang from Revellogram the GT 350 the GT 350 Hertz the GT 350 R the 2+2 which is stock Don't forget they also did a 65 GT350 with the cragar mags, and the pace car convertible, as well as reissuing the convertible in non-pace car versions too
Guest Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I'm with you on the 63. I cant afford one kit, much less 2 kits to build 1 model, yes, Revell's snap 63 would probably work with their 67, but I just cant swing 2 kits. A accurate new tool 70-71 Cuda is LONG overdue.
whale392 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) Depends on your definition of iconic. The 1982 Mustang GT re-introduced the 5.0L HO motor to the public (but the 5.0L was available in 1979) and re-ignited the musclecar wars. 1986 saw the 5.0L get SEFI, and 1989 saw 50 state Mass-Air. These cars made horsepower readily affordable to everyone, and spawned an entire industry just unto themselves. To me, that makes the 1979-93 Mustangs (and 1979-86 Capris) iconic. A GOOD kit of them is much overdue (considering their current popularity). I hope Revell does this subject justice with the upcoming 1991-93 LX 5.0 Coupe model debuting this fall. Edited June 23, 2011 by whale392
Monty Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 There are at least 4 versions of the '65-66 Mustang from Revellogram the GT 350 the GT 350 Hertz the GT 350 R the 2+2 which is stock I was not aware of the 2+2, and I haven't built any of the others. Any pics of a chassis? (Molded-in exhaust really hacks me off).
Zoom Zoom Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 AMT did the annual kit of the '65 Mustang fastback. Annual Kit Monogram did the stock '65 2+2 that's the basis of the Shelby reissue that's currently available. They'll probably reissue the stock 2+2 at some point. They're not hard to locate. Monogram Mustang 2+2 While it would be kind of nice to have a new-tool 1/25 scale fastback, I hardly consider it a priority considering the options in the marketplace. I will say that Monogram's 1/24 '65 and '66 Mustangs all have some kind of odd proportions that I never quite figured out. The AMT annual nails the look. Honestly, I'd rather see accurate '69 and '70 Mustang kits retooled (and done wisely one tool could do both). Only AMT annuals ever really looked right; Revell's '69 Mustang is all-wrong up front (while the same basic tooling is used on the Shelby that looks great), Monogram's 1/24 70 Mustang is okay but also has shape issues up front. Get an AMT '63 Corvette fastback and combine it w/Revell '67 guts. Another case of "it would be nice if..." but hardly necessary for all-new tooling. Revell's '63 curbside is a great looking model. For all-new tooling, I'd like to see a 1/24 scale Austin Healey 100-6 because the old Revell multi-piece body kit is crude, wrong scale for subject, and the wire wheels are awful. Stock, optional "laid back" racing windscreen, racing components, etc. I'd also love to see an all-new tool 1/24 scale Cobra 289. Subject matter requires 1/24 scale (aka International scale), and a higher-level of detail than the old original, and especially some nice in-scale wire wheels and tires. Lots of stock/racing options. We were promised this by Accurate Miniatures. They failed to deliver. Porsche 914-6. The old Revell kit is the wrong scale (1/25 instead of 1/24), engineering is crude, and they're hard to find. Kit should have integral windshield frame, and offering it as the wide-body variant first would really be excellent. Narrow-body version would also be welcome. 1/25 stuff: 68-70 AMX. '70 Hemi 'Cuda. '69 Impala. Variants of earlier subjects: '76 Eldorado CV. '63 Falcon Sprint. '61 Pontiac Ventura.
Monty Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) I'm not sure I understand your question, you ask for little updates but then quote all new tooling.... So I'm gonna tread this as, "what existing kit would you like to have retooled" type of question. Well...at the moment a '67 GTO will do just fine I don't know enough about tooling to say whether it'd be better to redo the original kit or start completely over. Lately it seems some of the mfrs are getting the small details down, but goofing up things like body proportions etc. I just want better kits of these two cars, for starters. You're absolutely right about MPC's '67 GTO. I still remember the disappointment I felt over 20 years ago when I bought that thing (molded in blue). Luckily I had a friend who was big into Pontiacs, so I traded it to him (for some magic beans, IIRC). Edited June 23, 2011 by Monty
Guest Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Get an AMT '63 Corvette fastback and combine it w/Revell '67 guts. Another case of "it would be nice if..." but hardly necessary for all-new tooling. Revell's '63 curbside is a great looking model. Like I previously mentioned, it's not even affordable right now for 1 kit, let alone 2 kits. A new tool IS feasable and desireable. Or at least a modified tooling based on the 67.
Guest Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Don't forget they also did a 65 GT350 with the cragar mags I didn't. That was the first on my list and they weren't Cragars,they were Hurst mags.
Eshaver Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 While not a 1963 Corvette coupe, M P C offered a 1964 that was "Light years ahead of anything " that A M T had ever offered . Yep, it was George Tetoff who tooled the poseable and working suspension on this tool . I've begged A M T with no avail to re- release this kit . Heck , I know it had it's limitations as the M P C Mako Shark also used a lot of the technology that the Corvette enjoyed .Now, Round 2, I know you guys read these posts , how bout it ???? Ed Shaver
Monty Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 AMT did the annual kit of the '65 Mustang fastback. Annual Kit I was aware of it but left it out because I assumed it had the metal axle chassis that I don't want to see in a kit. Please tell me that kit wasn't turned into the'66 coupe. Monogram did the stock '65 2+2 that's the basis of the Shelby reissue that's currently available. They'll probably reissue the stock 2+2 at some point. They're not hard to locate. Monogram Mustang 2+2 Honestly, I'd rather see accurate '69 and '70 Mustang kits retooled (and done wisely one tool could do both). Only AMT annuals ever really looked right; Revell's '69 Mustang is all-wrong up front (while the same basic tooling is used on the Shelby that looks great), Monogram's 1/24 70 Mustang is okay but also has shape issues up front. I agree. I've got a stack of those snub-nosed Revell '69 Mustangs. Such a simple thing, but so essential to the look of the car. Get an AMT '63 Corvette fastback and combine it w/Revell '67 guts. Another case of "it would be nice if..." but hardly necessary for all-new tooling. Revell's '63 curbside is a great looking model. I was going for the OOB contingent who might not have the resources to kitbash when I wrote this up. As for Revell's kit, I'm still curious how they came to the conclusion that the market would prefer a curbside '63 to a new glue kit of one. I know they didn't ask me! I'd also love to see an all-new tool 1/24 scale Cobra 289. Subject matter requires 1/24 scale (aka International scale), and a higher-level of detail than the old original, and especially some nice in-scale wire wheels and tires. Lots of stock/racing options. We were promised this by Accurate Miniatures. They failed to deliver. Weren't they also allegedly working on a Daytona Coupe? Porsche 914-6. The old Revell kit is the wrong scale (1/25 instead of 1/24), engineering is crude, and they're hard to find. Kit should have integral windshield frame, and offering it as the wide-body variant first would really be excellent. Narrow-body version would also be welcome. I'm not a huge fan, but I know they have a dedicated following. 1/25 stuff: 68-70 AMX. '70 Hemi 'Cuda. '69 Impala. Variants of earlier subjects: '76 Eldorado CV. '63 Falcon Sprint. '61 Pontiac Ventura. You've got my vote for any accurate AMX or Cuda.
Dragracer Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 O-K, see, us Mopar guys/gals were not the first ones, LOL, so I will be, a GOOD '70 'Cuda (of course), a '70 Dodge Charger would be nice also.
Darin Bastedo Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I didn't. That was the first on my list and they weren't Cragars,they were Hurst mags. Actually this wheel was manufactured for shelby by Cragar... I assumed when you said GT350 you meant the 1966 GT350 which is the most recent available version, that did not contain these wheels
tim boyd Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 Strongly, strongly agree with all of you who suggested an accurate, 1/25th scale '70 'cuda. TIM
scale trucker Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 barris kustoms..51 heriota merc..bill cushenberry 40 ford el,matador..and more 50's kustoms....
Zoom Zoom Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 Some replies to replies: AMT did the annual kit of the '65 Mustang fastback. Annual Kit I was aware of it but left it out because I assumed it had the metal axle chassis that I don't want to see in a kit. Please tell me that kit wasn't turned into the'66 coupe. I'm not sure if it was permanently altered, but pretty sure that's where the '66 coupe started. While it would be kind of nice to have a new-tool 1/25 scale fastback, I hardly consider it a priority considering the options in the marketplace. I will say that Monogram's 1/24 '65 and '66 Mustangs all have some kind of odd proportions that I never quite figured out. The AMT annual nails the look. Agreed, both counts. I can't believe how people noticed all the goofball proportions in the Renwal/Revell 1/12 kit thread the other day, but can't see the same thing (albeit to a slightly lesser degree) in the Monogram kit. It's wonky and the wrong scale to boot! The AMT body is out there in resin though...good enough considering how many kits never got done right once, much less at all...and the '67 Mustang kit can donate a chassis if you want better detail The Monogram kit is nowhere near as wonky as that 1/12 Renwal kit, but ever since day 1 it has bugged me, I bought the kit(s) but never built any of them. I never took the time to really study what is really wrong w/them in body proportion. We were promised this by Accurate Miniatures. They failed to deliver. Weren't they also allegedly working on a Daytona Coupe? Not sure about that. Two of their employees told me to my face "we have licensing to do any and all of the 289 roadsters including the FIA versions, we're going to start with the stock version but at this point not sure how much detail to put into it". If that was actually true, too bad they had no capital to follow through, and they already proved that they didn't always make the smartest of business decisions. Academy is supposedly slowly working on a Cobra Daytona with "Revell-like" detail, but man...they're taking forever. It was announced well over a year ago, not sure they've even gotten to tooling yet. For all-new tooling, I'd like to see a 1/24 scale Austin Healey 100-6 because the old Revell multi-piece body kit is crude, wrong scale for subject, and the wire wheels are awful. Stock, optional "laid back" racing windscreen, racing components, etc. I wouldn't mind this one one bit, but can we have a good FHC E-Type, or any 70s/80s Aston in there while we're UK-dreaming? UK dreaming? I want a Tamiya '54 Bentley Continental R. I'm kind of surprised Gunze never went after the FHC E-Type. I have a Heller kit, looks decent in the box, but have no idea how difficult it will be to build. All E-Type kits suffer from the fact that it's basically impossible to tool up a model w/o seam lines in the body. I figured how to fix it on the Gunze convertible (install interior from outside), but a coupe is another story. I will not build an E-Type w/the seams! Every time I looked at the Heller kit, I ended up frustrated as I couldn't find an easy way to deal w/the problem. I wouldn't mind any Aston. Even a *good* full-detail DB5 in 1/24 would be nice. I'm pretty sure the Japanese DB5 is curbside? The Aurora DB4 is okay, but 1/25 http://www.modelcarsmag.com/forums/uploads/emoticons/default_laugh.png' alt=':lol:'> I'm a real scale snob when it comes to subjects done in 1/25 that should be 1/24. Especially those tooled up later than 1990 (Revell squarely in the crosshairs on that http://www.modelcarsmag.com/forums/uploads/emoticons/default_laugh.png' alt=':lol:'> )
Guest Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 What part of not having enough money around to be able to kitbash dont a couple of you understand? I just recently started a full time job after 3 years of joblessness for me, and the wife still after 2 and a half have work, my job doesnt come close to fully paying the bills, I cant do one, much less 2 kits to build one. Having a new kit of the 63 would make it far easier, and not every detail of a 67 and 63 are the same!
Zoom Zoom Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 What part of not having enough money around to be able to kitbash dont a couple of you understand? I just recently started a full time job after 3 years of joblessness for me, and the wife still after 2 and a half have work, my job doesnt come close to fully paying the bills, I cant do one, much less 2 kits to build one. Having a new kit of the 63 would make it far easier, and not every detail of a 67 and 63 are the same! Calm down. Nobody didn't hear you. Your personal life situation isn't reason for a model car company to invest a big sum of $$ just to keep you from being internet cranky. That's not their problem, and you obviously have much bigger things in life to worry over than...this. Seriously.
Nate Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) I would like to see a decently engineered and detailed 67-72 Chevy Pickup a-la Revell 64 Chevy Truck. That oft re-issued AMT kit is pretty awful; the hood doesn't fit right, the front bumper/grill doesn't fit right, the promo style chassis is just sad and the bed is really fiddly. It's one of my favorite vehicles, but the kit offering is pretty sad. That said I do have like 7 or 8 of the various iterations of that kit. Edited June 29, 2011 by Nate
sjordan2 Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 I'm kind of surprised Gunze never went after the FHC E-Type. I have a Heller kit, looks decent in the box, but have no idea how difficult it will be to build. All E-Type kits suffer from the fact that it's basically impossible to tool up a model w/o seam lines in the body. I figured how to fix it on the Gunze convertible (install interior from outside), but a coupe is another story. I will not build an E-Type w/the seams! Every time I looked at the Heller kit, I ended up frustrated as I couldn't find an easy way to deal w/the problem. Here's a pretty good tutorial about dealing with the body seam problem on the 1/8 Monogram kit. http://www.scalemotorcars.com/forum/building-tutorials/6549-cracking-code-getting-rid-xke-panellines.html
LOBBS Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 I would like to see a decently engineered and detailed 67-72 Chevy Pickup a-la Revell 64 Chevy Truck. That oft re-issued AMT kit is pretty awful; the hood doesn't fit right, the front bumper/grill doesn't fit right, the promo style chassis is just sad and the bed is really fiddly. It's one of my favorite vehivcles, but the kit offering is pretty sad. That said I do have like 7 or 8 of the various iterations of that kit. I'll throw my vote in here for the '67-'72 Chevy truck as it one of the most popular trucks of all time. As a model, it's saddled with annual era tooling design. Throw in a '67 Camaro off the Revell '69 Camaro tooling and I'd be in heaven. In terms of body proportions, the only "right" '67 Camaro was the original annual. The newer tool by AMT definitely has some issues.
Guest Johnny Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 I'll throw my vote in here for the '67-'72 Chevy truck as it one of the most popular trucks of all time. As a model, it's saddled with annual era tooling design. Throw in a '67 Camaro off the Revell '69 Camaro tooling and I'd be in heaven. In terms of body proportions, the only "right" '67 Camaro was the original annual. The newer tool by AMT definitely has some issues. I remember the AMT 67 Camaros! They were nice kits! I had the convertible too! Man I wish I still had that one!
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