whale392 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Rob, as an owner of a 1984 GT Turbo I can tell you how rare the Turbo4 83-84s are. In 1983, there were less than 500 GT Turbos built, and less than 4,000 84 GT Turbos. These cars ushered in SEFI and the EECIV system. I have an early-84 GT Turbo sitting in my garage, awaiting restoration. And less than 10,000 TOTAL SVOs for the 84, 85, 85.5, and 86 production runs. Edited November 9, 2011 by whale392 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hall Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Rob, as an owner of a 1984 GT Turbo I can tell you how rare the Turbo4 83-84s are. In 1983, there were less than 500 GT Turbos built, and less than 4,000 84 GT Turbos. These cars ushered in SEFI and the EECIV system. I have an early-84 GT Turbo sitting in my garage, awaiting restoration. Cool...I can't recall the last time I saw one of those. I have the original brochures somewhere in my stash. There have been a lot of Fox Mustangs in my family over the years.... I've had an '86 LX (2.3) notchback and an '87 GT...my brother has a '79 Indy Pace Car, '82 GT, and an '85 GT. My Mom had a '79 hatchback, '86 GT, and a '90 LX 5.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whale392 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 And since I have a feeling that a 'prove you own it' is coming................ , , This car is an early-84 production car, with every option available at the time (included was the customer-requested/Cars and Concepts fitted) sunroof. Originally Oxford White exterior with the Regatta Blue interior. 145HP 2.3L non-intercooled Garrett T3 .60-.63 turbo and the WC T5 trans, 7.5" trac-loc rear, TRX suspension/handling package.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 According to automobile catalog.com, there never was a 1991 T-Bird SC 5L. http://www.automobile-catalog.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my66s55 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Why would you put a 5L in the SC when the 3.8-liter supercharged version was faster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whale392 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 5.0L were cheaper, less hard on parts, and less complicated to work on. Same reason many SVOs lost their sexy 2.3T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Most Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Why would you put a 5L in the SC when the 3.8-liter supercharged version was faster? Infinite aftermarket support for the 5.0, practically zilch for the 3.8. The 3.8 may have been faster stock, but there wasn't much room to grow if you wanted more out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) And since I have a feeling that a 'prove you own it' is coming................ Gah!, my (four) eyes! At least this thread is still (semi-) on topic. That Revell SC T-bird kit does go together very well from what I remember. Edited November 9, 2011 by Casey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Zipper Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 In May of 1990, I bought a new Mustang GT from "Bill Brown-Truck Town"> Ford dealership on Plymouth Rd. in Livonia MI It was Ultra Blue with silver panels on the bottom. It had a 5.0 w/5spd. rated at 225 hp. out of the box. Within a year and 5 thousand dollars later it was making WELL over 300 hp. The most costly up grade was the frame connectors to keep the body from twisting-the cheapest up grade was a few washers behind the throttle cable to get full travel out of the gas pedal. That Mustang could/would eat the SVO's and SC's lunch !! ...in it's class-the only thing that gave it a good run was an un-marked Dearborn Police 1992 Cougar with a 5.8... I gave it a good try until he turned those lights on !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hall Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Here's a pic of my '87 GT....had it since new...in Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Colorado and back to Ohio. 63k miles, kept it stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whale392 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Dang, Zipper. That looks EXACTLY like my 1991GT 5.0/5spd! She now has 273,000+ miles on the original drivetrain, but I have since converted it to 5-lug and 1996 Cobra wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 If Christian says he owned a 5.0 SC Thunderbird,I believe him. There are a lot of differences between automobiles that we have available here in the states and what they have available across the pond. Some models are introduced in Europe before we ever see them or know about them,so it is possible that he had something we haven't seen before. Even in the '50s and '60s,there was a big difference between the U.S. cars and Canadian cars and they're just across the border from us. I haven't seen anyone doubting him that actually lives in England either. Finally,the first Cobra Mustang was introduced in 1976 as the Cobra II. The King Cobra came out in '78 which was the only year for a King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan White Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they put in a 5.0 for the export market. Heck, the Mexican 80's Monte SS came with the 350 and 4-speed manual, whereas the US version only came with a H.O. 305 and 3/4-speed auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) well, until Christian or anyone else shows undeniable proof that Ford produced 5 liter SC's for export, i call BS I don't really consider it that important what you call what. If I dig up my, or recieve photos from the current owner of the car, I'll post them, but it's not something I will make the primary mission for the rest of my life. I know what I had, that is plenty enough for me. I said it before, and I say it again, the Supercharged V6 wasn't officially sold in Europe, because it did not survive sustained high speeds. And to the person who claims it was based on a Cologne V6: No, it wasn't. It was based on the Essex V6. Edited November 9, 2011 by Junkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 well, until Christian or anyone else shows undeniable proof that Ford produced 5 liter SC's for export, i call BS Like I posted earlier, on automobile-catalog.com, which lists all models produced including models for export listed by country, there is no 1991 T-Bird SC 5.0L listed... not as an American car or for export to other countries. http://www.automobile-catalog.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hall Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) I don't really consider it that important what you call what. If I dig up my, or recieve photos from the current owner of the car, I'll post them, but it's not something I will make the primary mission for the rest of my life. I know what I had, that is plenty enough for me. I said it before, and I say it again, the Supercharged V6 wasn't officially sold in Europe, because it did not survive sustained high speeds. And to the person who claims it was based on a Cologne V6: No, it wasn't. It was based on the Essex V6. The Thunderbird of that era wasn't officially sold in Europe at all, was it? I assume this was an import through a dealer or something? It was probably modified by a US dealer before shipping abroad. I've seen ads in Car, Top Gear and other UK car magazines for brokers in Europe that import new Ram pickups, Mustangs, Camaros, and other vehicles not officially sold in those markets... Edited November 9, 2011 by Rob Hall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Why would you put a 5L in the SC when the 3.8-liter supercharged version was faster? The 3.8 supercharged was only faster for a quarter mile. 50 miles at 130 on the Autobahn and it was toast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Like I posted earlier, on automobile-catalog.com, which lists all models produced including models for export listed by country, there is no 1991 T-Bird SC 5.0L listed... not as an American car or for export to other countries. http://www.automobile-catalog.com/ Does it list the Chevy powered Buick Electras and Cadillac DeVilles for export EEC? Does it list the cars that were built in Switzerland and Antwerp? Does it list the Dodge Spirit come Chrysler Saratoga? Does it list the Chrysler Voyager, Chrysler Daytona, Chrysler Laser? Edited November 9, 2011 by Junkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan White Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Might list the Chryslers, since I know they rebadged Dodges as Chryslers (and Plymouths as well) for sale in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camshaft Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Not sure if this has been said yet, but... To you and me, there's a billion different Camaro models. To the owner of a Camaro with an obscure graphics/body/interior/engine package that is, as of yet, unavailable in scale, there aren't nearly enough Camaro models. Edited November 10, 2011 by Camshaft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 i've been out of modeling for a long time. scanning ebay for model kits i am amazed at how many corvettes, t-birds, mustangs and camaros etc etc there are for sale. whats with these manufacturers? - its the same ole same ole stuff reboxed 100 differnt ways. it seems like there is a bigger selection of nascar models then regular cars. how about some good ole americana like an ambassador, rebel, metropolitan, bonneville, catalinas. how about a pontiac ventura, cadillac seville or maybe a olds custom cruiser wagon or ford falcon economy. where are the pintos and the vegas and valients and demons? are the tooling costs to make these just so outrageous its not worth it to them. i would love to see a bigger selection. good news i just read that MPC is reissuing the amc gremlin. now that's one i will buy. Well, then you need to keep an eye on re-issued kits and on what Moebius is releasing/planning, as those will likely be your source for oddball subjects. We've been through the "why don't they make a (insert subject not popular with the general modelling public)?" topic often here, and the answer is almost always the same- kit manufacturers produce what has a history of selling well. Fortunately Round2 came around and decided to invest some money into older tooling and re-issue kits which haven't seen the light of day in decades. Long term, I don't think this is a great strategy for AMT and MPC as brands, but it seems to be working well now with AMT/MPC only re-issuing kits, so let's wait and see how it pans out when Round2's lease agreement ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hall Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I remember seeing Chrysler Neons, Voyagers, etc in the UK, France and Italy when over there on vacation...but those were official models sold through Chrysler dealers, like the Grand Cherokees, Cherokees, Wranglers sold there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Does it list the Chevy powered Buick Electras and Cadillac DeVilles for export EEC? Does it list the cars that were built in Switzerland and Antwerp? Does it list the Dodge Spirit come Chrysler Saratoga? Does it list the Chrysler Voyager, Chrysler Daytona, Chrysler Laser? I can't say for sure that this site lists every single car model ever made, but it does look pretty comprehensive, and the car you speak of isn't listed here. Seems like the most likely possibility is the car you bought was some sort of aftermarket conversion and not a factory car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I can't say for sure that this site lists every single car model ever made, but it does look pretty comprehensive, and the car you speak of isn't listed here. Seems like the most likely possibility is the car you bought was some sort of aftermarket conversion and not a factory car. What about the 87 Thunderbirds with the six cylinder BMW Turbodiesels sold in Germany? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hall Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 What about the 87 Thunderbirds with the six cylinder BMW Turbodiesels sold in Germany? Ford sold the Lincoln Mk VII with the BMW Turbodiesel in the US briefly. Again, though, were those Thunderbirds in Germany sold through Ford dealers there or gray market imports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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