Joe Handley Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 If an electric car uses the same roads as a gas powered vehicle, how does the government collect taxes to pay for the roads? You watch, coming soon, new taxes or as a politician likes to say "USER FEES" ! Easy, once there are enough Hybrids, Electrics, and Extended Range EV's are on the roads, maybe increase the registration fees on those compared to 100% fuel burning cars and trucks. Say like on my Jeep and Harry's Mustang here in Illinois, it's $100 a year and more if you have a specialty plate, it's more. Maybe put the greener cars at $200-$300 for conventional plates and even more for the specialty plates (say a vanity plate is normally $120, make it $240-$360).
martinfan5 Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Its not like this is the first time gas price's have gotten this high before, and we all have survived right?, its now a part of how the world works, every few years , gas price's spike, we all wee wee and moan, trade in our SUV's, and ride it out. The when the gas price's come back down, we go back and buy another SUV, Rinse and repeat .
Rob Hall Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) I've stuck w/ my SUV....definitely not going to downsize.. Edited March 12, 2012 by Rob Hall
Sam Cates Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Well, I know fuel prices are up, which means oil prices are up. At the last local club meeting I attended it was announced that two of our LHS (White Elephant, where I get MOST of my new kits) will no longer be stocking Round2 products because they have to order through a distributor, and they have priced themselves out of the market, making it VERY tough to compete with the chain stores here. We were also told the Revell has raised the order minimum $2000 more than what it already was. Fuel is running $3.53 to $3.61 for regular unleaded and will probably continue to climb. I am not too concerned with that because there are few if any shows/swap meets hobby wise in my area. That combined with my little Beetle that is EXCELLENT on fuel consumption, it doesn't concern me too much. Between driving to school and back every day, and running errands on weekends, it takes about 3 weeks to use a full tank of fuel, and it only has a 10.6 gallon tank. Base oil price drives the price of fuel and styrene (as with all oil based products), all will continue to rise as long as the base oil price does. All we can do is shop smart, drive less, and be thankful that we are not paying what some overseas countries are.
Harry P. Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Its not like this is the first time gas price's have gotten this high before, and we all have survived right?, its now a part of how the world works, every few years , gas price's spike, we all wee wee and moan, trade in our SUV's, and ride it out. The when the gas price's come back down, we go back and buy another SUV, Rinse and repeat . When gas prices come back down??? Which world do you live in?
Rob Hall Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 When gas prices come back down??? Which world do you live in? They will probably be back down in the fall near where they were in January...it's cyclical, just like in '08...prices spiked in the spring/summer, went down in the fall...same cycle every year, some years they spike higher than others...the general trend over time is up, but there are spikes..
martinfan5 Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Well we have had gas under $3 a gallon here in AZ for awhile now, so there for gas price's have and do come down.
martinfan5 Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) They will probably be back down in the fall near where they were in January...it's cyclical, just like in '08...prices spiked in the spring/summer, went down in the fall...same cycle every year, some years they spike higher than others...the general trend over time is up, but there are spikes.. going by that chart, we should of been paying $4 a gallon here in AZ for the past few years , but its been well under $4 for a while here. Maybe the price of gas does not drop a lot, but it does come down a little bit, there for, gas price's do drop back down after the spike. I do have to agree with Harry about gas price's , I have always felt that way too. Edited March 12, 2012 by martinfan5
Rob Hall Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) going by that chart, we should of been paying $4 a gallon here in AZ for the past few years , but its been well under $4 for a while here The chart is weak, it only goes through May 08. It was around $4 here summer of '08, but definitely been under that the last 3 years...it's around $4 now. Whether it's $3/gallon or $4/gallon that's only a $20 or less difference every week to week and a half for me on a full fill up, not a big deal to me. Edited March 12, 2012 by Rob Hall
Harry P. Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Day to day ups and downs are irrelevant. You have to look at the overall price curve, and that is going nowhere but up. And if you look at the chart, you can see that the upward trend is increasing greatly. In other words, the price is going higher, faster. It doesn't matter what gas costs today vs. last month or next month. You have to look at the overall trend to see where gas prices are headed.
Rob Hall Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Day to day ups and downs are irrelevant. You have to look at the overall price curve, and that is going nowhere but up. And if you look at the chart, you can see that the upward trend is increasing greatly. In other words, the price is going higher, faster. It doesn't matter what gas costs today vs. last month or next month. You have to look at the overall trend to se where gas prices are headed. Again, the chart is 4 years old, doesn't have the data for the last 4 years, so it's useless...
Harry P. Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 The chart is weak, it only goes through May 08. It was around $4 here summer of '08, but definitely been under that the last 3 years...it's around $4 now. Whether it's $3/gallon or $4/gallon that's only a $20 or less difference every week a half for me on a full fill up, not a big deal to me. You don't realize how lucky you are. Twenty dollars a week to many people is a big deal, I guarantee it. Especially when you don't have the extra twenty to spare. It's easy to shrug off gas prices and drive SUVs if you have the money. It's the millions of people who don't have the money that gas prices are a real hardship on.
Joe Handley Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 You don't realize how lucky you are. Twenty dollars a week to many people is a big deal, I guarantee it. Especially when you don't have the extra twenty to spare. It's easy to shrug off gas prices and drive SUVs if you have the money. It's the millions of people who don't have the money that gas prices are a real hardship on. Yup, I've been thinking that maybe I should buy a newer car that has a warranty and get's better gas mileage. I would be paying on the car, but if the MPG's are better than my XJ gets and there is a warranty on it to take care of non wear items, it might be worth the money.......now doing so without having to sell said XJ might be kinda tricky
jcbigpaw Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 High gas prices such no matter where you live. Im being forced to build cars with smaller engines now. (Sorry, couldn't resist. Lol)
martinfan5 Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 High gas prices such no matter where you live. Im being forced to build cars with smaller engines now. (Sorry, couldn't resist. Lol) Best reply yet, very good
Draggon Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Harry is right. Shall I repeat it? The prices are not market driven, its all about futures. Without getting too technical, the production is up while the demand is down. The future buyers are counting on a glut in production with an increase in demand. We patriotic Americans know what to do, period. In my town, we were faced with an alternative, conserve 10% of our water or face penalties. We showed the powers that be, and conserved 20% of the water. We can do it, if D.C. gets out of the way. I should mention, that after conserving TWICE the water they asked for, we got notice that because East Bay Muni. Water Distric did not make enough money during the drought, they had to raise our rates. I went from $35 a quarter, to over $50 a quarter. WE gotta stand up, like the film "Network... and say IM not gonna take it anymore! My avocation is politics, I know we shant discuss here, but if anyone wants to debate, Im willing off the board.
DANB Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I pay 90c/L for LPG to keep the Val running. You mirin?
mademan Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I dont even pay attention to gas prices anymore. I have a Job where I work 18 hours from home for a week at a time, and have to travel 6.5 hours in my vehicle until I board a plane and fly the rest of the way to site ( on the company) They provide us with a travel subsidy, which only really covers 1/4 of the cost of fuel, so a few of us from the same hometown ride together and split the cost. I drive a Suburban 2500 one of the other guys has a Hemi Ram, and another has an avalanche, not the greatest on fuel but when travelling 13hours a week..... id rather be in a large 4x4 rather than a small car. especially in the winter, I dont know if any of you are familiar with saskatchewan/alberta winters. lol
mikemodeler Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I think it was recently mentioned that the demand for gas in the US was down but it was countries like China that have increased their demand and that played a part in the gas prices. What one must keep in mind is that investors are always looking for the highest return on their money and they will put it into those areas that can give solid results. I am sure you have all seen the ads on TV, in the newspapers and on the radio about how gold is the best investment one could make? Do you remember seeing those ads 5 or 10 years ago? Nope! The worldwide economy has become fragile and investors look to things like gold and oil as being safe bets and thus the rise in their prices. The fear is that if Greece goes belly up, then the world markets will be in upheaval and stocks and bonds will take a beating. All the talk about the Keystone Pipeline was not about lowering our gas prices, it had more to do with sourcing oil from a more stable part of the world and friendly trading partner, Canada. If the US would only develop an energy plan that was realistic instead of using algae for fuel and mandating electric vehicles that require us to burn fossil fuel to recharge them, then we could squash some of the political rhetoric over who is responsible for $4 a gallon gas and who will get it back to $2.50!
Jon Cole Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I live in NH. Gas prices are having an effect on me to the point that I cannot afford to drive alone down to NJ for the NNL East. The only way I can do the trip is if I was splitting the cost of gas with others.
Junkman Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 It goes right in line with what the Politicians here in my state are trying to do with My Budget. and the what the banks have already done. Crooks and gangsters. The whole ugly lot of them. Add the global warming scam that serves no other purpose than that the air is taxed now.
Jantrix Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 The only way that it has effected me is in limiting how far I'm willing to travel for contests. I've wanted to do the Birmingham and Atlanta NNL's for a long while. It looks like that won't happen anytime soon. Also I have done Jaxcon for the last several years, but skipped it this year because I couldn't justify the $100 gas cost from Tampa to show only one new model this year. As for kits.......I have plans for buying only two this year and I'll buy those online. My local hobby shop is about five miles from the house and carry most supplies I need, so I just plan those stops when I'm already in the area.
Junkman Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 The only way that it has effected me is in limiting how far I'm willing to travel for contests. I've wanted to do the Birmingham and Atlanta NNL's for a long while. It looks like that won't happen anytime soon. Also I have done Jaxcon for the last several years, but skipped it this year because I couldn't justify the $100 gas cost from Tampa to show only one new model this year. As for kits.......I have plans for buying only two this year and I'll buy those online. My local hobby shop is about five miles from the house and carry most supplies I need, so I just plan those stops when I'm already in the area. For trips up to five miles, I usually use one of these: http://baronvonzach.blogspot.com/ Apart from needing no petrol at all, they also have the undeniably huge advantage that the girls can see me when I ride by. They do boost the beer consumption though, so in the end nothing is saved.
Darin Bastedo Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 My modeling budget comes out of my budget surplus, and always has. I spend so little on my hobby (usually $50 or less per month) that the price of gas could double without it having any effect. There are other things that I buy with te surplus that would go first, like movie tickets or the occasional meal out. I guess that the fact that the price of gas does cause prices in general to go up that I get less hobby stuff for my money, but that is marginal at best. Currently I spend about $50 dollars a week on gas. if gas were to go up another dollar I'd be spending $60. it's no real biggie for me.
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