What do you do with a member here

[sjordan]

Here's a thought...

[Monty]

George/Arnold, go ahead and put the names out there. I can't guarantee it'll resolve your issue, but it may prevent someone else from getting taken by these people.

[george 53]

Not my speed to be like that, bro. But if you PM me, I'll gladly tell ya. Turns out he did bad by another forum brother too, so I don't expect calling him out on it'll cure what ails him. Sometimes you get a GREAT trader sometimes you get a NOT so "Great" trader. That's what I got. Like I said, oh well.....

[disabled modeler]

If no one else knows whom the trader was they could fall into the trap as well....I feel its our duty to warn others of possible bad traders. I have been burnt before too and posted there information...it should be allowed less were going to condone theft and scams.

[Harry P.]

If no one else knows whom the trader was they could fall into the trap as well....I feel its our duty to warn others of possible bad traders. I have been burnt before too and posted there information...it should be allowed less were going to condone theft and scams.

What if you were considered a bad trader by someone. What if you sent the parts to the other person, but the package was lost in the mail?

So according to him, he never got the package from you. You say you sent the package, the other guy says he never got it. Are you ok with being publicly labeled a "bad trader" by the guy who never got his package?

See how labeling someone a "bad trader" in public can unfairly give a guy an undeserved reputation?

Sure, sometimes the other guy really is a bad trader. But how do you know for sure?? Is it fair when someone who actually did come through with his part of the deal is labeled a "bad trader" because you never received his package (through no fault of his?) Maybe it was lost by the post office. Maybe he wrote the wrong address on the package. Who knows? There are ways that a package may have been sent, but never received.

Throwing around accusations without proof is a dangerous thing. Publicly labeling people as "bad traders" can be an unfair accusation. I really don't think it's appropriate to label anyone a "bad trader" in public. You work it out with the other person in private. And if you can't work it out, you live and learn.

Trading with people always carries an inherent risk. You need to realize that before you agree to a trade, especially with someone you've never dealt with before.

[mikemodeler]

Depending on what I am shipping, I will look into delivery confirmation and insurance. If it is just a set of wheels, then I usually pass on it, but a kit will always get d/c and insurance, because it is cheap to do so and gives the guy on the other end some piece of mind in the event there is a problem.

Posting names of "bad" traders, like Harry has stated, can get tricky and we have enough drama here without going down that road, don't we? Look at the controversy stirred up over the "comments" thread!

[deja-view]

I'm new on this forum compared to most of you, but I've been doing all sides of this for about 50 years. I have only once "stiffed" a guy on a trade, but that was because no matter how many messages I sent him HE didn't respond. I finally gave up, but would look for his name periodically and try again. Nothing. I don't recall him ever bringing it up on the forum, but I'm not sure he even continued posting at all...just sort of disappeared.

But if you have a member who is currently active, and is doing trades with other members....and STILL continues to ignore you when he owes you a model (or something) it is right, fair, and the moral thing to do to let everyone else know what has happened. After 5 months it's time for the offender to explain himself, to make good on his promise, and to give other members a better basis for whether or not THEY should trade with him.

NOT disclosing the questionable trader is immoral and unfair to everyone else....and it destroys faith in the forum's systems. There is a reason our culture relies on honesty and rules to back up the obligations of us to each other. Without enforcement and exposure, there cannot be a fair marketplace or trust in any part of it. SO...give both parties a chance to bring it to the table (one already has in this case) and allow the "offender" a chance to make good and explain himself. Now, THAT is the only fair way to do it. Hiding it is not fair to anyone.

Edited April 9, 2012 by deja-view

[george 53]

Well, as I said, IF you REALLY want to know , just PM me. To me, it's not a big deal. you might be suprised though, as he has been tradeing quite steadily on here for a while since NOT completeing HIS half of the trade.

[Mike Kucaba]

"But if you have a member who is currently active, and is doing trades with other members....and STILL continues to ignore you when he owes you a model (or something) it is right, fair, and the moral thing to do to let everyone else know what has happened."

This sums up exactly what I think is the correct thing to do. Tell your side. Put this on the forum and lock it. Let the other person start another thread and tell their side.

[Chuck Most]

I got "burned" once here. Something no one has mentioned here so far: things DO get lost in the mail. Is that a possibility in this case? I chalked my loss up to mail service since I also dealt with a "Great trader". It can happen.

To prevent that (and to cover my hiney) I always try to get delivery confirmation, and give the number to the person who will be recieving the merchandise. That way I have proof I sent it, the other guy can track it, and he has proof I sent it. If it does get lost, I'll do my best to make up for it.

[sjordan]

Similar to online trades, I have had eBay transactions go bad two ways. I didn't receive one package because the trader died and it took his wife several weeks to clear up his accounts. Another was in the hospital for a couple of months and incapable of answering his e-mail. The point is, as Harry alluded to, naming names etc. can be a very tricky thing. Keep an open mind.

Edited April 9, 2012 by sjordan

[Guest Johnny]

Similar to online trades, I have had eBay transactions go bad two ways. I didn't receive one package because the trader died and it took his wife several weeks to clear up his accounts. Another was in the hospital for a couple of months and incapable of answering his e-mail. The point is, as Harry alluded to, naming names etc. can be a very tricky thing. Keep an open mind.

Except neither on applies here since the said trader is "still trading" here with others and NOT replying to the stiffed party!

[Dave Wood]

Like roger said post his name so nobody else has the same problem with him, if hes a good trader he'll make good on it.when he sees the post

[crazyjim]

How in the name of honesty did you get in trouble HERE? And How were you burned? There always is two sides to every deal.

I sent 2 of of my builds (USPS with delivery confirmation) and never received the promised kit. After several months of PMs & emails with no response, I asked the trade monitor to step in after he offered. Still nothing so I posted the ripoff artists name in a post. My hands were slapped by a moderator not to do that anymore. Somewhere I still have the guys name.

[Modelcollector]

Harry, you know who this person is that I am having the problem with. You DID help me get a reply from him, but nothing more. I won't go public for a little while longer, if ever. Sure would be nice to get at least information about where we stand. I guess, if nothing else, I'm out about $75 worth of stuff that I could have traded elsewhere.

[Harry P.]

Arnold... PM me with his name.

[Modelcollector]

Message sent Harry.

[Jon Cole]

And this strife is why I don't even go into the trades section. I just don't need to open myself up to the hassles. Shame it has to be that way.

[Harry P.]

We mods have talked, and the decision is that we won't allow people to post "bad traders" by name here.

Here's why:

Hypothetical (but very possible) situation 1: Trader A does a trade, he never gets his end of the deal from trader B. The reason: trader B mistakenly put "1243 Main Street" on the package instead of "1234 Main Street," so trader A never got his package. Trader B insists he sent it out, trader A says he never got it and posts trader B's name as a "bad trader," even though trader B didn't knowingly do anything wrong.

Hypothetical (but very possible) situation 2: Trader A says he never got trader B's part of the deal. Trader B tells trader A that yes, he did send it out. Trader A doesn't believe him, names trader B a "bad trader" publicly. The reason trader A didn't get his stuff from trader B? The post office lost it. So neither trader A nor trader B really knows the facts, yet trader A insists trader B is a "bad trader" and calls him out publicly.

These are just two possible scenarios where trader A is convinced that trader B isn't holding up his end of the bargain (or vice versa)... when in fact the so-called "bad trader" isn't really a bad trader at all.

So you can see that it's easy to publicly call out someone as a "bad trader," but sometimes the facts don't coincide with the accusation. Yes, there are times when there really is a "bad trader," but the fact is, many times a perfectly innocent person can be labeled wrongly as a "bad trader."

We don't want to be put in the middle of that type of situation, and besides, we have no authority to resolve any "bad trade" one way or another anyway... so the rule will be no naming of "bad traders" here on the forum.

[george 53]

Since I won't call him out, (I wouldn't have done it publicly, caz that's NOT my speed, as I said before), just PM me. I'm suprised at what my brothers are telling me about him!

[Modelcollector]

I agree George. If anybody wants to know, PM me.

[jbwelda]

>I know a couple of guys that like to rough people up for fun

sometimes its good to know people in low places.

[mikemodeler]

>I know a couple of guys that like to rough people up for fun

sometimes its good to know people in low places.

Something tells me that would be the humane thing to do!

[george 53]

It's only plastic, brothers, not worth it. It WOULD have been nice to be treated fairly, but they's NO accountin for some folks's upbringin. Just gonna write it off, and warn ANYBODY who asks, AWAY from this member.

[Jordan White]

I do agree that calling out someone could have potential negative drawbacks, however I still think that he should at least try to publicly get his attention, since he's not responding to PMs or e-mails. Allow him to explain his actions under the scrutiny of his peers. I know its considered "drama", however I believe it's sometimes good to call someone out publicly for their actions.